Aminet 33/Aminet 33 - October 1999.iso/Aminet/docs/misc/amigapl.9806.lzh/amigapl.9806/text0005.txt

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Czeôê !

Ostatnio po wymianie karty procesora w A-4000 na CyberStorma PPC + 060
(oczywiôcie teû po instalacji nowego oprogramowania systemowego) zaczëîo
dziaê sië coô dziwnego - Amisia zaczëîa coraz czëôciej sië wieszaê !
Wiesza sië róûnie (wczeôniej tak nie byîo):
* przy otworzeniu okna preferencyjnego VisualPrefs-ów i zmianie kilku
kolorów,
* przy uruchomieniu Szejpa (i udostëpnieniu mu niemal caîej wolnej pamiëci),
* przy otwarciu jakiegoô programu....

Zabraîem sië do roboty i spisaîem, co w systemie moûe bruúdziê. Oto lista:
* biblioteki:
 - FastMath 40.6 (mathieedoubbas, mathieedoubtrans, mathieesigntrans,
mathtrans),
 - 68040 44.1
 - 68040new 44.2
 - 68060 44.3
 - reqtools 38.1387
 - asl 40.6
 - wizard 38.137
 - cgxsystem 41.19
* resources:
 - setpatchmrgcop (ale Szejp i bez tego sië wiesza),
* porty:
 - Dopus 5.65
 - ConClip (chyba to nie on...)
 - RTPatch 1.1b (czy on patchuje cala reqtools ?)
 - VisualPrefs (shareware)
 - OXY 3.13
 - SetPatch 43.6 (zmiana na 40.16 teû nic nie daje),
* zmienne systemowe CGX:
 - Plane2Fast 0
 - SuperGels 0 (czasem 1, ale wiesza sië teû przy 0)
 - Superlayers 0 (czasem 1, ale wiesza sië teû przy 0)
 - UseSemaphores 0 (czasem 1, ale wiesza sië teû przy 0)

Wydaje mi sië, ûe to moûe byê wina reqtools, asl albo bibliotek
matematycznych.
Kiedyô, jak rejestrowaîem AmiBrokera zauwaûyîem, ûe komputer dziwnie
zachowuje
sië zmieniajâc paletë kolorów - otóû nie zmienia on aktualnego koloru,
podczas
gdy ja zawziëcie krëcë suwakami RGB, tylko zostaje on zmieniony dopiero po
przejôciu na nastëpny kolor do zmiany, przy czym czasem zmieniane sâ oba !!!
Pan Janeczko wyjaôniî mi, ûe to wina asl albo reqtools (ale moûe to i co
innego). Natomiast biblioteki FastMath nie sâ polecane przy nowych
bibliotekach
680x0 fazy5 (tak jest napisane w docu)...
Dzisiaj w domu dopiero to sprawdzë - ale moûe ktoô ma inne sugestie ?

Pozdrawiam !
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Dnia 29-Cze-98, Adam Majewski napisal:

>  co w praktyce dajâ bity:
>   pure

Bit *pure* oznacza, ûe dany program moûe byê rezydentny, to znaczy, ûe
jego
kod (w jednej kopii w pamiëci) moûe byê wykonywany jednoczeônie przez
kilka tasków. Np. kod typu pure majâ wszystkie biblioteki, ale to nie sâ
programy, wiëc w ich przypadku ustawianie bitu pure nie ma sensu.

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>  co w praktyce daj± bity:
>
>   archive
>   pure

Archive ma oznaczac, ze gdzies kiedys zostala zrobiona kopia zapasowa pliku,
i od tego czasu nie zostal on zmieniony.  Kazda zmiana zawartosci pliku
powoduje znikniecie flagi A.

Pure oznacza, ze program program moze byc dodany jako rezydentny (za
pomoca polecenia Resident), a moze byc rezydentny jedynie wtedy kiedy
nie miesza w swoich danych (jesli miesza, to jakas kopia moze namieszac
innej kopie - mowiec krotko :)).  Z angielska nazywa sie to 'reentrant'.

    pozdrawiam

        - Adam

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Czesc!

    Mam nastëpujâce pytanie dotyczâce AREXX'a:

Ja zmusiê AREXX'a do przysyîania mi wiadomoôci o rozkazach z argumentami w
polach rm_Args? Na razie jeûeli w skrypcie AREXX'a ktoô napisze np.

funkcja arg1 arg2

to caîy ten ciâg dostajë w polu rm_Arg[0] bowiem jest to traktowane przez
AREXX'a jako RXCOMM a nie jako RXFUNC (chyba). Wiëc jak zmusiê AREXX'a do
îadowania argumentów (w tym przypadku arg1 i arg2) do odpowiednio pól
rm_Args[1]
i rm_Args[2]?

Pozdrawiam.

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Czeôê

 co w praktyce dajâ bity:

  archive
  pure

 znaczenie tego pierwszego jeszcze moûna sië domyôleê,
 ale o tym drugim wiem tylko tyle, ûe po pol. znaczy "czysty",
 co on dokîadnie daje ?????


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Czeôê !

Czy ktoô wie jak skontaktowaê sië z Robertem Ramiëgâ w tej sprawie?
Próbowaîem na róûne adresy, ale nie odpowiada.

Pozdrowienia

Oby nam sië dzieci rakiet nie czepiaîy!!!
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Hey !

Jeôli ktoô posiada _niezpolszczony_ driver do Star LC20,to prosiîbym na
priv.Ten,który aktualnie posiadam wysuwa kartkë po zakoïczeniu druku czy tego
chcë,czy nie.
Z góry dziëki
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Dnia 28-Cze-98, Tomasz Górniak napisal:

> Do znajomego do firmy przyszedî klient, który miaî problem z
> uruchomieniem Scali z PPC i Zorro II, komputer stawaî podczas îadowania
> sië Scali,

Pierwsza czynnoôê: zmostkowaê zasilanie (masa i +5V) od gniazda zasilania
na pîycie Amigi (a najlepiej z samego zasilacza) do karty PPC (na slot na
pîycie, albo na samâ kartë) przewodami o konkretnym przekroju. Tak, tak,
wiem, co ma piernik do wiatraka, ale to sië sprawdza w zadziwiajâcej
iloôci przypadków.

Krashan

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/*WITAM!*/
Jeôli kogoô interesuje sîuchanie muzyki z pîyt komp.
na MAC-u via Shapeshifter zapraszam na priv.
Reply-to.
*#Pozdrawiam,#* *ZIBI*
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Czeôê!

Poszukujë banalnego obiektu 3D, tytuîowego zegareczka. Na Aminetach
znalazîem tylko jakieô wiktoriaïskie szafy, zagery ôcienne i rëczne, a
ja potrzebujë zwykîego tarczowego budzika. Byîbym wdziëczny gdyby mi
ktoô mógî podesîaê coô takiego na priva.

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Czeôê,

Potrzebujë pilnie kilka uûywanych egzemplarzy karty Blizzard-1230, chëtnie z
SCSI, ale niekoniecznie. Kupië za zaliczeniem pocztowym, co do ceny na pewno
sië dogadamy. Proszë o kontakt kaûdego zainteresowanego - adres w sigu.

Hej,
Miîek
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Hej!

Poniewaz nie moge manualnie, to najpierw zapytam: czy do Apollo np. 60/50
mozna wlozyc 64 mb sima w jednej kosci?

Papa!

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Witajcie posidacze PowerPC,

Nareszcie cos drgnelo na serwerze phase5 (ftp.phase5.de) i mozna
sciagnac nowe oprogramowanie (/pub/phase5).

    pozdrawiam

        - Adam


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Witam !

Czy jest jakis programik, ktory poprawnie ustawia palete na 16-bitowym WB,
na ktorym sa ikonki MWB i NewIcons ?
Zainstalowalem "Birdie" z dwoma podkladzikami, a ten zmienia sobie kolorki
ikonek MWB oraz NI. Jest na to jakas rada ?
Moze czas napisac nowy IPrefs albo LoadWB albo jakas biblioteke ?

Pozdrawiam !
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     Cze¶æ !!!

Dnia 25-Cze-98, Aleksander Salwa napisa³:

>
>     Czy istnieje w ogole strona WWW Elboxu ?
> Pod adresem www.elbox.com.pl tylko 'ciemnosc widze'. (Lynx laczy sie pop-
> rawnie, ale strona wyglada na pusta).
>
>     Hej !

U mnie jest to samo. Co jaki¶ czas wysy³am maile z zapytaniem
na adres [e-mail] - zero odzewu...

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            Cze¶æ !!!

    Po zainstalowaniu Fast-ATA2/EIDE Elboxu zwisa mi OXYPatcher zaraz po
starcie. Czy kto¶ z 040 te¿ ma takie problemy, jest na to jakie¶
rozwi±zanie ???

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Heja!

Czy podczas obslugi przerwania VBlank mozna uzywac funkcji systemu takich jak:

DrawImage
BltBitMapRastPort
BltBitMap

Bo w dokumentacji dotyczacej tych funkcji niema mowy, ze nie. Jednak gdy prubowalem cos sie wiesza.

Pozdrawiam.

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Witam !!

On Thu, 25 Jun 1998, Borys Harasimowicz wrote:

> On 25-Cze-98, Bartosz Sokolowski annoyed his keyboard in this way
>
> > Probowalem - dzialalo bez problemu (nie wiem tylko ktora to byla wersja,
> > teraz nie moge sprawdzic - uczelnia, ale nie mogla byc zbyt wysoka -
> > zrodlo PowerUP CD Od 603e). Inna sprawa to szybkosc na AGA... (chociaz po
> > zmniejszeniu okienka grac mozna).
>
> Ja tez mam z tej plytki... I nie dziala. Ani z ram: ani z dysku. Chyba ze za
> wczesnie trace cierpliwosc i robie reset - tak mniej wiecej po minucie bez
> zadnych znakow zycia. Probowalem i na CGXAGA i normalnie. A moze mam zla
> wersje CGXAGA? Mam te z PowerUP CD, ver 70. ale slyszaaem ze jest w niej
> sporo bledow...
>
Mity, mity (z tymi bledami) trzeba tylko dobrze zainstalowac. Z tego co
pamietam na pyt. PLANETOFAST odpowiadamy NO a na reszte YES. Pozatym
sprobuj wyrzucic wszystkie MCPki itp. Ja mam spreparowana dyskietke z
ktorej bootuje system bez ZADNYCH dodatkow (dodane tylko assigny do
libs'ow z HD itp.) - musi zadzialac. Pozatym pamietaj o dodaniu buforow
ADDBUFFERS do partycji z ktorej odpalasz DOOMa (2000 starczy). A tak w
ogole to poprobuj z roznymi WADami, moze ten ktorego posiadasz jest
uszkodzony.

   Dobrej zabawy,

    Bazant


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Dnia 26-Cze-98, Bartosz Mediger napisaî:

> On 25-Jun-98, Marcin Sokoîowski wrote:
>
>> W WB jest ukryta funkcja (LoadWB debug - jak mnie pamiec nie myli). Sluzy to
>> testowania jednaj Amigi druga Amiga, spietymi bodaj przez Seriala.
>
>   Ale  jak?  U mnie LoadWB -debug w praktyce dodaje do menu Workbencha opcje
> ROMWack i FlushLibs i to wszystko..

ROMWack. Tyle ûe to nie sîuûy w ûadnym razie do testowania komputerów. ROMWack
uaktywnia znajdujâcy sië w ROMie v39+ debugger (SAD), który poprzez seriala
pozwala  na grzebanie w Amidzie. Ta chwilowa "zwiecha" po wybraniu ROMwack
bez podpiëtego terminala to zablokowanie Amigi i próba nawiâzania poîâczenia
z terminalem.

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Heja!

Chcac by moj program dobrze pracowal na kartach GFX, chcialem sie posluzyc funkcja AllocBitMap,
ale z obserwacji cos mi nie dziala tak jak trzeba.
Wiec allokuje sobie pamiec jak ponizej:

xsize = 44; ysize = 44; depth = 3;
if (!(obraz1=AllocBitMap(xsize, ysize, depth,/*BMF_DISPLAYABLE|*/BMF_INTERLEAVED,NULL)))
      {
        printf("ERROR  - Zbyt maîo pamiëci\n");
        fclose(plik);
        return (NULL);
      }

Wyniku tego wskaznik, z ktorego odczytuje adres pierwszego bitplanu:

file_lenght=fread(obraz1->Planes[1],1,file_lenght,plik);

pod który wczytuje bitplany w RAW "formacie".

Gdy pozniej chce wyswietlic wczytana grafike przy pomocy:

BltBitMapRastPort(obraz1,0,0,okno->RPort,x,y,44,44,0xC0);

jest ona znieksztalcoana (jakby, trzy pomniejszone elementy) i nie ma odpowiednich kolorow, po prostu kaszana.
Mam wiec pytanie, jaka jest struktura tak zaalokowanej BitMapy, czy plan za planem, czy w kazdym planie kolejne linijki sa umieszczone jedna za druga? Przegladajac pola zaalokowanej struktury BitMap stwierdzilem, ze wielkosc poszczegolnych bitplanow jest chyba zamala, jesli chodzi o ilosc wierszy to ok, ale o ilosc bitow w poziomie (bajtow) to wydaje sie byc za mala.
Moze ktos potrafi wyjasnic moje progblemy, lub ma jakies zrodla, które pokazuja jak z tego korzystac i moglby mi je przeslac.

Tak na marginesie co dokladnie robi flaga BMF_DISPLAYABLE?

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-----Wiadomoôê oryginalna-----
Od: Bartosz Mediger <[e-mail]>
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Data: 26 czerwca 1998 00:00
Temat: Re: Odp: test


>   A  jesli  nie  ma  zadnych dodatkowych kart (typu CGFX), to czy
programowo
>idzie  jakos  sprawdzic  (chociaz teoretycznie) poprawnosc dzialania slotow
?
>(Pomijajac fakt szarych paskow przy starcie..).


>   I  tutaj  to  samo  pytanie  -  czy  idzie  sprawdzic  porty  programowo
?
>Podlaczenie  drukarki  czy  modemu  moze  byc  troche  klopotliwe...


Porty we/wy charakteryzuja sie tym, ze wysylaja i pobieraja dane z zewnatrz.
Jesli nic nie podepniesz, port nic nie wysle i nie odbierze....jak chcesz
wiec inzcazej sprawdzic, czy port jest OK ?

>   Ile by mnie kosztowala ew. 'wymiana' ? Dzieki za odpowiedz!


SB11 kosztuje 100 zl w Stodole. Jak bedziesz potrzebowal, przesle Ci nr
telefonu.

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Witam!
Czy jest mozliwosc aby CrossDOS v5.0 dzialal na A500 ks 1.3?
Poniewaz nie mam CrossDOS'a v4.0 a taki by sie przydal.
Jestem poczatkujacym amigowcem.
Z gory dziekuje za kazda pomoc.
Slawek

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On 25-Jun-98, Marcin Sokoîowski wrote:

> W WB jest ukryta funkcja (LoadWB debug - jak mnie pamiec nie myli). Sluzy to
> testowania jednaj Amigi druga Amiga, spietymi bodaj przez Seriala.

   Ale  jak?  U mnie LoadWB -debug w praktyce dodaje do menu Workbencha opcje
ROMWack i FlushLibs i to wszystko..

> Pamiec mozna przetestowac programem SysInfo, karty w nia wpiete tez.

   A  jesli  nie  ma  zadnych dodatkowych kart (typu CGFX), to czy programowo
idzie  jakos  sprawdzic  (chociaz teoretycznie) poprawnosc dzialania slotow ?
(Pomijajac fakt szarych paskow przy starcie..).

> grafika), czy drukuje (parallel), czy laczy sie z internetem (serial), czy

   I  tutaj  to  samo  pytanie  -  czy  idzie  sprawdzic  porty  programowo ?
Podlaczenie  drukarki  czy  modemu  moze  byc  troche  klopotliwe...

> ktora powinna byc "przykryta" kartami wciepnietymi do slotow. SB najlepiej
> chodzi, jak ma numerek 11 (9 musisz od razu wymienic, czyba, ze nie masz
> karty GFX)

   Ile by mnie kosztowala ew. 'wymiana' ? Dzieki za odpowiedz!


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    Witam.

        Przepraszam,  ze  na  liste,  ale  pilnie  sprzedam: A1200T kick. 3.0
(Infinitiv,  zasilacz zewn., dyskietki instalacyjne, literatura), Blizzard IV
030/50 z FPU. Osoby zainteresowane prosze na priv8.

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Czeôê,

Ostatnio kupiîem sobie kartë sieciowâ PCMCIA i zabraîem sië za ustawianie
usîug.

Otóû z Sambâ sobie nie poradziîem! (Samba 1.9.16p9 - ta, która zajmuje
1.3MB)
Czy komuô udaîo sië jâ zainstalowaê, aby wspóîdziaîaîa z Windows 95?
(u mnie ani pecet mnie nie widzi, ani ja jego dysków - 'RPC: timed out')

p.s. Korzystam z AmiTCP 4.3.

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Czeôê!

    Czy karty PPC wspóîpracujâ z kartami graficznymi w slotach
Zorro II (czyli picasso, CV3D itd)? Jak to wyglâda w praktyce?

Pozdrawiam!
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Cze !

        Juz skonczyly mi sie klopoty z ta gra.

EOT.

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Dnia 25-Cze-98, Krzysztof Malec napisal:

> Dzieki za odzew!.. no ale to pod AGA to nie bedzie chyba lecialo...

Bëdzie - ale raczej nienajszybciej...

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>     Czy istnieje w ogole strona WWW Elboxu ?
> Pod adresem www.elbox.com.pl tylko 'ciemnosc widze'. (Lynx laczy sie pop-
> rawnie, ale strona wyglada na pusta).

Tak jest od ok. roku (a moûe jeszcze dîuûej).


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Dnia 25-Czer-98, Aleksander Salwa napisaî(a):

>
>     Czy istnieje w ogole strona WWW Elboxu ?
> Pod adresem www.elbox.com.pl tylko 'ciemnosc widze'. (Lynx laczy sie pop-
> rawnie, ale strona wyglada na pusta).

Bo tam nic nie ma.
Tak wyglâda ich strona.

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Czeôê,
Napisaîeô(aô):   /dnia Czwartek, 25-Cze-98/
> Dzieki za odzew!.. no ale to pod AGA to nie bedzie chyba lecialo...

A wlasnie ze tak! Ja sie bawilem Birdie na kosciach AGA (nie CGXAGA!) i nie
sprawial problemow. No, szykosc oczywiscie spadla, ale nie znaczaco!

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Witam

>    Prawie 4 miesâce temu byliômy 600000 bloków przed Windowsami,
                                                ^^^^^^^
ciâgle ZA niestety

> a wiecie ile nam teraz do nich brakuje? Okoîo 300000! Czyli jak tak dalej
> pójdzie to maksymanie za 4 miesiâce wskakujemy na 6 pozycjë...

Chyba, ûe zawody wczeôniej sië skoïczâ ;-)

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Czeôê Aleksander!
25-Cze-98 (Czwartek) napisaîeô:

>     Czy istnieje w ogole strona WWW Elboxu ?
> Pod adresem www.elbox.com.pl tylko 'ciemnosc widze'. (Lynx laczy sie
pop-
> rawnie, ale strona wyglada na pusta).

To normalny objaw. Jak sië zaprzesz to moûesz sobie stamtâd ôciâgnâê
tekst o E\Boxie w formacie Worda...

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Czeôê AMIGO!

25-Cze-98 (Czwartek) napisaîeô:
>        Czy komus udalo sie zmusic Colonization do dzialania na 040 ??

No mnie sië udaîo, a co? W koïcu ruchy komputera sâ wykonywane w jakimô
rozsâdnym tempie.

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W dniu 24-Cze-98 (Ôroda)
Marcin Ostrowski ([e-mail]) napisal:

> Czesc!

> Mam powoli dosyc. Moj Apollo 040/40 chodzi bardzo ladnie, bron
> boze zeby sie wieszal, ale po resecie bootuje sie z dysku tylko
> na 60%. W pozostalych przypadkach wyskakuje animacja dyskietki.
> Jako ze nie ma reguly, zdarza sie ze mam 4-5 "pustych" resetow
> pod rzad!, ale i czesto kilka "dobrych", a czasem na przemian.

Poniewaû podstawë, czyli zasilanie masz OK, przychodzi mi do gîowy jeszcze
coô takiego:

1. Walniëty dysk - sprawdú z jakimô innym
2. Walniëte kable do dysku, albo przelotka 2.5-3.5' - musisz pomierzyê
kaûde poîâczenie miernikiem, albo spróbowaê z innym kablem.
3. Coô na pîycie. Moûe wstëpnie spróbuj podociskaê w podstawkach to co ma
podstawki, np. koôci kickstartu itp.

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Hello Waldemar

On 24-Cze-98, you wrote:

>> Polecam NEC MultiSync 3D, ³apie wszystko, nawet PAL.
>> ¯adnych scandublerów, tylko rgb-vga. Full bajera.

> Ile to cacko kosztuje (mniej wiecej)?

Ja kupi³em u¿ywany za 300 zl z groszami. Jak kszta³tuj± siê ceny takiego
nowego "cacka" :) niestety nie wiem.
                    Pozdrowienia
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On 25-Cze-98, Bartosz Sokolowski annoyed his keyboard in this way

> Probowalem - dzialalo bez problemu (nie wiem tylko ktora to byla wersja,
> teraz nie moge sprawdzic - uczelnia, ale nie mogla byc zbyt wysoka -
> zrodlo PowerUP CD Od 603e). Inna sprawa to szybkosc na AGA... (chociaz po
> zmniejszeniu okienka grac mozna).

Ja tez mam z tej plytki... I nie dziala. Ani z ram: ani z dysku. Chyba ze za
wczesnie trace cierpliwosc i robie reset - tak mniej wiecej po minucie bez
zadnych znakow zycia. Probowalem i na CGXAGA i normalnie. A moze mam zla
wersje CGXAGA? Mam te z PowerUP CD, ver 70. ale slyszaaem ze jest w niej
sporo bledow...

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Hello Krzysztof

On 23-Cze-98, you wrote:

> Dnia 06-Lut-78, Arkadiusz Zamczala napisa³:
>> Polecam NEC MultiSync 3D, ³apie wszystko, nawet PAL.
>> ¯adnych scandublerów, tylko rgb-vga. Full bajera.

> Nawet Pal? Ciekawe. Mój 15-calowy NEC MultiSync C500 nie chce.

No tak ale ja, jak napisa³em, mam model *Multisync 3D*,(14 cali).
Mój chce.
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Czeôê !

Kupie kilka sztuk kart do Amigi 1200.
Interesujâ mnie jakiekolwiek - od zwykîego
rozszerzenia pamiëci aû po 060 lub PPC.
Waûne jest aby dziaîaîy i byîy w odpo-
wiednich cenach.

Szukam teû karty Multiface lub podobnej.
Potrzebujë kilka portów do mojej Amigi,
a tej karty niegdzie nie ma. Jeôli nikt z
was nie ma takiej do sprzedania, to moûe
powie mi ktoô gdzie to kupiê.

Jesli macie coô innego to teû piszcie
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na wasze propozycje.

Przepraszam ûe na listë, ale ogîoszenia
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On Thu, Jun 25, 1998 at 12:24:57PM +0200, Michal Durys wrote:
> Cze¶æ!
>
> Czy jaki¶ dobry duch móg³by mnie zaopatrzyæ w loaderka GIFów do IFX 2.6?
> O ile pamiêtam jest to freeware, wiêc niczego siê nie narusza.

    http://ftp.wustl.edu/pub/aminet/biz/patch/ifxgifb1.lha

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Witam!

Dzieki za odzew!.. no ale to pod AGA to nie bedzie chyba lecialo...

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Czeôê!

Czy jakiô dobry duch mógîby mnie zaopatrzyê w loaderka GIFów do IFX 2.6?
O ile pamiëtam jest to freeware, wiëc niczego sië nie narusza.

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Witam !

On Wed, 24 Jun 1998, Borys Harasimowicz wrote:

>
> Mam (na razie ;) dwa pytania:
> 1. Czy udalo wam sie odpalic VDoomPPC_HIRES v0.3 na CGXAGA? Ja probowalem,
> chce chyba karty... mam 16 MB fast, moze to jednak za malo?
>

Probowalem - dzialalo bez problemu (nie wiem tylko ktora to byla wersja,
teraz nie moge sprawdzic - uczelnia, ale nie mogla byc zbyt wysoka -
zrodlo PowerUP CD Od 603e). Inna sprawa to szybkosc na AGA... (chociaz po
zmniejszeniu okienka grac mozna).
Pozdrawiam,

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Czesc !

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Do: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Data: 25 czerwca 1998 11:06
Temat: test


>        Jaki  program  polecacie  do  sprawdzenia  sprzetu  ? Mysle, ze
m.in.
>nalezaloby  przetestowac  porty  i  pamiec...  Co  (dla  pewnosci
poprawnego
>dzialania  sprzetu)  powinienem sprawdzic (a4k) ? Na co jeszcze zwrocic
uwage
>przy kupnie? Z gory dzieXy za ew. pomoc.

W WB jest ukryta funkcja (LoadWB debug - jak mnie pamiec nie myli). Sluzy to
testowania jednaj Amigi druga Amiga, spietymi bodaj przez Seriala.
Jest to nigdzie nie opisana funkcja i jak glosi omunikat w niej ukryty,
nalezy jej uzywac ostroznie.

Poza tym - jak Amiga miga na odbiorniku PAL/NTSC przy resecie szarymi
kolorkami (zadne tam zolte, czerwone, niebieskie) - znaczy sie, ze sama
przetestowala sie i jest w porzadku.
Pamiec mozna przetestowac programem SysInfo, karty w nia wpiete tez.
W szufladzie Tools (albo Utilities) jest tez programik o nazwie ShowConfig -
moze sie przydac.

Ale najlepiej zrobic testy w praniu: czy chodzi demo jakies (muzyka,
grafika), czy drukuje (parallel), czy laczy sie z internetem (serial), czy
mozna pisac w okienku shella (klawiatura) i ogolnie mysz :)))

Przy zakupie A-4000 warto zwrocic uwage na:
* wersje SuperBustera (powinienes go zobaczyc prawie od razu - jest po lewej
stronie (jak patrzysz na Amige od frontu) - po tej stronie plyty glownej,
ktora powinna byc "przykryta" kartami wciepnietymi do slotow. SB najlepiej
chodzi, jak ma numerek 11 (9 musisz od razu wymienic, czyba, ze nie masz
karty GFX)
* ROM - to da sie sprawdzic programowo (3.1 oczywiscie the best)
* czy sloty na RAM maja nie za bardzo wytarte "zaskoczki" znajdujace sie po
obu stronach kazdego slota.
* czy masz metalowa "klatke"-sanki na HDD - powinna byc miedzy zasilaczem, a
plyta slotow
* no i ogolna kondycja Amigi - czy nie zdarta bardzo, czy zaskakuje od razu,
czy cos w niej nie lata, jak trzesiesz (byle nie za mocno :))) itp...
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Przesylam lakoniczna wiadomosc z samej fazy5, moze nawet tym razem
dotrzymaja slowa :)))
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>At 07:50 25.06.1998 +0200, you wrote:
>>Dear Sirs,
>>
>>My name is Marcin Sokolowski, I have an Amiga 4000 with CyberVision 64/3D
>>and Cyberstorm PPC 604/e + 060.
>>I have one question: is there a CyberVisionPPC in sale ? If it is not,
when
>>could I buy it ?

>From beginning of July on.


>>Thanks for answer.
>>Marcin Sokolowski

>       Brita Kobuschinski
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Czesc!

    Prawie 4 miesâce temu byliômy 600000 bloków przed Windowsami,
a wiecie ile nam teraz do nich brakuje? Okoîo 300000! Czyli jak tak dalej
pójdzie to maksymanie za 4 miesiâce wskakujemy na 6 pozycjë...

Pozdrawiam.
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Dnia 24-Cze-98, Krzysztof Malec napisaî:

> Jak sie nazywa program, ktory pozwala podkladac patterny pod RAMKI
> okienek?, i gdzie go mozna znalezc?(zassac?)

Tapety to sië kîâdzie na ôciane. A obrazki pod ramki moûesz podîoûyê
uûywajâc Birdie (www.vgr.com)

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Dnia 23-Jun-98, Marek Jablonski napisaî:
>On 21-Jun-98 21:07:10 Paweî Pawîaszek roît:

>>> Ja podîâczyîem, ale na krótko. Dúwiëk z CD-ROMu jest bardzo cichy -- za
>>Ja zaryzykowaîem. _*Rewelacja*_. Dlaczego dopiero teraz sië o tym
>>dowiedziaîem?
>>U mnie dúwiëk jest jakby o poîowë gîoôniejszy niû z Amigi.
>Zabawne (odkâd mr. Tywonek zasiadî w zarzâdzie TPSA nie uûywam sîowa
>"niemoûliwe"). Ciekawe czy istnieje jakieô racjonalne wytîumaczenie tego
>fenomenu?
Moze uszkodzone generatory dzwieku w Amidze i sama Amiga brzeczy ciszej ???
:)))
[]
>Nie wiem który jest najlepszy. ÎADNY jest "Groovyplayer" co nie jest bez
>znaczenia zwaûywszy na fakt, ûe wentylator w A4000 i tak zagîusza muzykë.
Polecam wymiane wentylatora w zasilaczu na pecetowy.....
W pc jest kilka rodzajow wentylatorow ciche, glosne, z termistorem roznia sie
oczywiscie cena :)  ( ja mam osobiscie z termistorem ktory przymocowalem
do radiatora w srodku zasilacza, teraz rozpedza sie dopiero jak Ami sie
nagrzeje
i cicho pracuje !)

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Dnia 24-Cze-98, Grzegorz Kraszewski napisaî:
>Dnia 24-Cze-98, Krzysztof Chrobot napisal:

>>> Wlasnie ... np. na mojej Amy 020(14MHz)+FAST twardziel wyciaga spoko
>>> 2300kb/s ! W czym jest problem ?! Takze chce zakupic PPC ale narazie
>>> chyba sie wstrzymam ... przeciez 040/25MHz to o wiele wiecej niz gola
>>> amiga ... i tak wolno ?!

>> Przesiadîem sië na Blizzarda 1260 i transwer z Seagate 2.1GB mam
>> wolniejszy niû na 68EC020/14MHz + FAST RAM...

>Tak sobie gîoôno myôlë: Kontroler jest na pîycie Amigi, EC020 teû jest na
>pîycie. Natomiast procesor na karcie jak sama nazwa wskazuje na pîycie
>nie jest. Czyûby to miaîo jakiô wpîyw?

Jakiô tam wpîyw ma.....jak miaîem jeszcze A1200 (goîa) i HDD 1.6 GB Caviar to
transfer byî 2.1 MB,z kartâ turbo Blizzard IV 030/50 MHz 2.4 MB, a
teraz na A4000 z 604e-200 MHz 040/25 MHz tylko 1.3 MB.

PS. Moûe ktoô z listowiczów posiada PPC-040/40 MHz lub PPC-060/50 MHz i
powiedziaî jaki ma
transfer.

Pozdrawiam.

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Dnia 24-Cze-98, Krzysztof Malec napisal:

> Jak sie nazywa program, ktory pozwala podkladac patterny pod RAMKI
> okienek?, i gdzie go mozna znalezc?(zassac?)

Nazywa sië Birdie, a zassaê moûna z www.vgr.com/birdie, z Aminetu, i chyba
teû z któregoô MA covera.

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Czolko!

Mam (na razie ;) dwa pytania:
1. Czy udalo wam sie odpalic VDoomPPC_HIRES v0.3 na CGXAGA? Ja probowalem,
chce chyba karty... mam 16 MB fast, moze to jednak za malo?

2. Czy ktos probowal skompilowac C2P dla PPC tego VDoomaPPC i odpalic na
niej Glooma Dlxe? Tam mozna wybrac procedure c2p, ale czy to zadziala? W
kazdym wypadku da sie odpalic na adze w okienku - korzystajac z CGXAGA. Ale
o predkosci nie bede sie wypowiadal ;)  Chociaz - to tylko 040/25 ;)

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    Witaycie!

        Jaki  program  polecacie  do  sprawdzenia  sprzetu  ? Mysle, ze m.in.
nalezaloby  przetestowac  porty  i  pamiec...  Co  (dla  pewnosci  poprawnego
dzialania  sprzetu)  powinienem sprawdzic (a4k) ? Na co jeszcze zwrocic uwage
przy kupnie? Z gory dzieXy za ew. pomoc.

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On 24-Cze-98 Krzysztof Malec wrote:
> Witam!

> Jak sie nazywa program, ktory pozwala podkladac patterny pod RAMKI
> okienek?, i gdzie go mozna znalezc?(zassac?)

> Pozdrawiam!

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Dnia 24-Cze-98, Waldemar Lamek napisal:

>> Polecam NEC MultiSync 3D, îapie wszystko, nawet PAL.
>> Ûadnych scandublerów, tylko rgb-vga. Full bajera.

> Ile to cacko kosztuje (mniej wiecej)?

Monitor M1438S teû îapie wszystko. Moûe ktoô chce? Zapraszam na priva.

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Dnia 24-Cze-98, Krzysztof Chrobot napisal:

>> Wlasnie ... np. na mojej Amy 020(14MHz)+FAST twardziel wyciaga spoko
>> 2300kb/s ! W czym jest problem ?! Takze chce zakupic PPC ale narazie
>> chyba sie wstrzymam ... przeciez 040/25MHz to o wiele wiecej niz gola
>> amiga ... i tak wolno ?!

> Przesiadîem sië na Blizzarda 1260 i transwer z Seagate 2.1GB mam
> wolniejszy niû na 68EC020/14MHz + FAST RAM...

Tak sobie gîoôno myôlë: Kontroler jest na pîycie Amigi, EC020 teû jest na
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Witam!

Jak sie nazywa program, ktory pozwala podkladac patterny pod RAMKI
okienek?, i gdzie go mozna znalezc?(zassac?)

Pozdrawiam!

chrupek

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Czesc !

Odkrylem wreszcie, czym sie rozni enkodowanie na mp3 muzyki z pliku-sampla
od bezposredniego odczytu z CD-ROMu (kiedy nie ma np. miejsca na HDD, zeby
zrobic 50 MB sampla :)
MusicIn - jesli poda mu sie jako zrodlo plik-sampel, czyta go kawalkami do
bufora, tam przelicza i zgrywa do mp3. Jest to wygodne, szybkie i nie
zabiera pamieci, jesli sie ma jej niewiele (np. 18 MB).
Natomiast jak sie poda jako zrodlo plik w formacie AIFF_Stereo (oczywiscie
przy zainstalowanym Asim'ie, ktory zapodaje tracki AudioCD jako pliki), to
MusicIn wczytuje sampla do calej pamieci (jesli jest jej malo), potem
jeszcze raz i jeszcze, az skonczy przerabiac :) W miedzyczasie tego
wczytywania Powerek oczywiscie przelicza :)
To wyjscie jest OK, jesli na dysku brakuje miejsca na zgranie 10 plikow po
50 MB kazdy - czyta sie bezposrednio z CD-ROM'a, a zapisuje do kilkumegowego
pliku (3-6 MB, zalezy) :)
Czasy: 3:38 utworek liczyl sie (na 604e/200) z CD-ROMu 14min:30s, a z HDD
11min:20s.
Wynika z tego, ze samplowanie z HDD jest szybsze, ale jesli doliczyc do tego
samplowanie z CD-ROMa do pliku (te 3:38), to szybciej juz wychodzi samplowac
z CD'ka !

Pozdrawiam !
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Witam!

Mam pytanko dotycz±ce (jak zwykle ;) animacji AVI. Kiedy¶ zgrabowa³em
sobie na piecu animacje w formacie *AVI RGB16bit*, ale teraz niczym nie
mogê ich skonwertowaæ np. do ANIM IFF, bo pieprzy siê paleta kolorów :(
MainActor Broadcast animacjê ³yka i konwertuje, ale paleta kolorów to
istna têcza :))) Czym mo¿naby tê animacjê "skonwerciæ" na ANIM IFF, bo
chcia³bym j± wykorzystaæ w Scali (chocia¿ nie tylko).
Acha, i jeszcze jedno: animka ma niekompresowane klatki (to tak na
wszelki wypadek, gdyby programy konwertuj±ce mia³y jakie¶ problemy :)
i jest bez problemu wy¶wietlana przez CyberAVI i AVid'a. Problemy
wystêpuj± tylko przy konwersji.

Nara!

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Dnia 24-Cze-98, Marcin Sokoîowski rzekî co nastëpuje:

> Natomiast jak sie poda jako zrodlo plik w formacie AIFF_Stereo (oczywiscie
> przy zainstalowanym Asim'ie, ktory zapodaje tracki AudioCD jako pliki), to
> MusicIn wczytuje sampla do calej pamieci (jesli jest jej malo), potem
> jeszcze raz i jeszcze, az skonczy przerabiac :) W miedzyczasie tego
> wczytywania Powerek oczywiscie przelicza :)

Przeîâcz wajhë w AsimCDFS_Preferences/Audio/Stream CDDA Audio.

Miîek
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Czeôê Adam

Dnia 24-Cze-98, Adam Kaúmierski napisaî:
>> A dlaczego jest teû 2x mniejszy w stosunku do A1200 z FastRamem bez
ûadnego
>> dopaîu ? Przecieû wtedy powinien byê 2x wiëkszy ! ( z 14 mhz -> 25 mhz )
>
> Wlasnie ... np. na mojej Amy 020(14MHz)+FAST twardziel wyciaga spoko
2300kb/s !
> W czym jest problem ?! Takze chce zakupic PPC ale narazie chyba sie
wstrzymam ... przeciez 040/25MHz to o wiele wiecej niz gola amiga ... i tak
wolno ?!

Przesiadîem sië na Blizzarda 1260 i transwer z Seagate 2.1GB mam wolniejszy
niû na 68EC020/14MHz + FAST RAM...

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Czesc!

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> A dlaczego jest teû 2x mniejszy w stosunku do A1200 z FastRamem bez ûadnego
> dopaîu ? Przecieû wtedy powinien byê 2x wiëkszy ! ( z 14 mhz -> 25 mhz )

Wlasnie ... np. na mojej Amy 020(14MHz)+FAST twardziel wyciaga spoko 2300kb/s !
W czym jest problem ?! Takze chce zakupic PPC ale narazie chyba sie wstrzymam ... przeciez 040/25MHz to o wiele wiecej niz gola amiga ... i tak wolno ?!


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ACD32Pro 2+8MB RAM FPU 1.6GB HDD                                                / ICQ# 13150066

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>>Bylem na AS, przywiozlem sobie stamtad Powerke z 040/25 i 603e+ 160MHz. Mam
>>tylko jedno pytanie: czemu sysinfo, ktore wczesniej (na 030/50) pokazywalo
>>ze mam z mojego HDD transfer ok. 1100 KB/s, teraz twierdzi ze jest 660 KB/s

>Jest to wina czëstotliwoôci taktowania procesora, miaîeô 50 MHz a teraz 25
>MHz,
>i jak widaê transfer jest prawie dwukrotnie mniejszy.


A dlaczego jest teû 2x mniejszy w stosunku do A1200 z FastRamem bez ûadnego
dopaîu ? Przecieû wtedy powinien byê 2x wiëkszy ! ( z 14 mhz -> 25 mhz )

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Czesc.

>W doku jest równie¿ napisane, ¿e w pewnych okoliczno¶ciach mog± nast±piæ
>zwiechy, a które to okoliczno¶ci mia³y u mnie miejsce na tyle czêsto, ¿e z
>semaforów chwilowo zrezygnowa³em.

U mnie objawia sie to tym, ze jesli w MCP mam wlaczona opcje SUN to blokuje
sie
MagicMenu.

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Czesc.

>W doku jest równie¿ napisane, ¿e w pewnych okoliczno¶ciach mog± nast±piæ
>zwiechy, a które to okoliczno¶ci mia³y u mnie miejsce na tyle czêsto, ¿e z
>semaforów chwilowo zrezygnowa³em.

U mnie objawia sie to tym, ze jesli w MCP mam wlaczona opcje SUN to blokuje
sie
MagicMenu.

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Czesc.

>Polecam NEC MultiSync 3D, ³apie wszystko, nawet PAL.
>¯adnych scandublerów, tylko rgb-vga. Full bajera.

Ile to cacko kosztuje (mniej wiecej)?

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Czesc.

>Czy ktos, moglby opisac jakiego oprogramowania uzyc i jak je
>skonfigurowac pod Linex'em i386, aby moc przez RS232 podlaczyc do niego
>Amige, Linux ma tez byc routerem dla amigi. Mialem to poprzednio pod
>DOS-em i KAQ net-tem, ale zmieniam system pecetowy na Linuxa. Amiga
>bedzie dziala pod AmiTCP i chyba (tak bylo wczesnej) slip'em.

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On 23-Cze-98, Grzegorz Kraszewski annoyed his keyboard in this way

>> Bylem na AS, przywiozlem sobie stamtad Powerke z 040/25 i 603e+ 160MHz.
> Fajnie.

W miare :)

Czterdziestka niewiele
> moûe tu swoimi pamiëciami cache i nowszâ konstrukcjâ przyôpieszyê, stâd
> transfer dysku zaleûy w znacznym stopniu od zegara procesora, a nie od
> jego mocy obliczeniowej. A poniewaû w Twojej nowej karcie zegar jest dwa
> razy wolniejszy...

No dobra dobra, ale jak mialem 020/*28* MHz to ciagnal 1000 KB/s !

U mnie zasilacz od CD32 (!) ciâgnâî... Przez trzy miesiâce... Potem spaliî
sië.

No coz, grzeje sie nieco szybciej... nastepny zakup - zasilacz ;)

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Czeôê Wiara!
Dnia 06-Lut-78, Arkadiusz Zamczala napisaî:
> Polecam NEC MultiSync 3D, îapie wszystko, nawet PAL.
> Ûadnych scandublerów, tylko rgb-vga. Full bajera.

Nawet Pal? Ciekawe. Mój 15-calowy NEC MultiSync C500 nie chce.

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Witam !

>Bylem na AS, przywiozlem sobie stamtad Powerke z 040/25 i 603e+ 160MHz. Mam
>tylko jedno pytanie: czemu sysinfo, ktore wczesniej (na 030/50) pokazywalo
>ze mam z mojego HDD transfer ok. 1100 KB/s, teraz twierdzi ze jest 660 KB/s
>?!   Czy moze to byc wina zasilacza? Mam zwyly, 4,5 A.
>O dziwo ciagnie karte z 16 MB ram, HDD 270 MB Seagate'a i CDx4 i nawet nie
>proboje wybuchac :)

Jest to wina czëstotliwoôci taktowania procesora, miaîeô 50 MHz a teraz 25
MHz,
i jak widaê transfer jest prawie dwukrotnie mniejszy.

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Czesc.

>Czy ktos, moglby opisac jakiego oprogramowania uzyc i jak je
>skonfigurowac pod Linex'em i386, aby moc przez RS232 podlaczyc do niego
>Amige, Linux ma tez byc routerem dla amigi. Mialem to poprzednio pod
>DOS-em i KAQ net-tem, ale zmieniam system pecetowy na Linuxa. Amiga
>bedzie dziala pod AmiTCP i chyba (tak bylo wczesnej) slip'em.

Ja do tej pory mialem polaczona Ami (Miami) z PC (Linux) przez seriala.
Moim zdaniem latwiej jest konfigurowac Miami niz AmiTCP, ale jesli umiesz to
moze i lepsze rozwiazanie. W moim przypadku bylo to PPP. Pod linuxem
wstukuje sie kruciutki skrypt odpalany z konsoli i wszystko dziala. Ja
mialem tak zrobione i chodzilo to calkiem dobrze na 115200.
Jesli chcesz to wysle Ci przykladowe konfigi.

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Witam!
Pilnie poszukuje takiej staroci jak CrossDOSv4.0
Na Aminecie ni w CDekach ktore posiadam tego nie ma, a kumplowi z A500
inny nie chce dzialac.
Please, przyslijcie mi na priva chociaz pliczki ktore biedakowi pomoga
zainstalowac PC0: na swojej 500-tce.
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Dnia 23-Cze-98, Borys Harasimowicz napisal:

> Bylem na AS, przywiozlem sobie stamtad Powerke z 040/25 i 603e+ 160MHz.

Fajnie.

> Mam tylko jedno pytanie: czemu sysinfo, ktore wczesniej (na 030/50)
> pokazywalo ze mam z mojego HDD transfer ok. 1100 KB/s, teraz twierdzi ze
> jest 660 KB/s ?! Czy moze to byc wina zasilacza?

Niekoniecznie. Gîównâ przyczynâ jest wolniejsze taktowanie procesora
Motoroli. Wszystkie dane przenoszone z/do dysku twardego podîâczonego do
standardowego IDE przechodzâ przez procesor. Przy przesyîaniu danych
posîuguje sië on prostymi komendami w stylu MOVE.x. Czterdziestka niewiele
moûe tu swoimi pamiëciami cache i nowszâ konstrukcjâ przyôpieszyê, stâd
transfer dysku zaleûy w znacznym stopniu od zegara procesora, a nie od
jego mocy obliczeniowej. A poniewaû w Twojej nowej karcie zegar jest dwa
razy wolniejszy...

> Mam zwyly, 4,5 A. O dziwo ciagnie karte z 16 MB ram, HDD 270 MB
> Seagate'a i CDx4 i nawet nie proboje wybuchac :)

Ja na Twoim miejscu jednak kupiîbym kawaîek jakiegoô poweryzatora od
peceta. U mnie zasilacz od CD32 (!) ciâgnâî HDD Seagate, CD Mitsumi 4x i
Blizzarda 1230-IV z 8 MB RAM. Przez trzy miesiâce... Potem spaliî sië.

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Dnia 20-Cze-98, Michal Lukasik napisaî:

> Mam A600, którâ trzymam w szafie bo ma uszkodzonâ klawiaturë. Usterka polega
> na wytarciu koïcówek taômy. Zwracam sië do Was z proôbâ o jakieô pomysîy jak
> to naprawiê. Moûe ktoô ma sprzedaê takâ taômë lub caîâ klawiaturë?

Ja kiedyô podobnâ tasmë naprawiaîem w taki sposób:

Taôma z nalotem srebrnym
1.Zdrapaê delikatnie folië (od strony napylenia)
    zabezpieczajâcâ po dwóch stronach powstaîej przerwy (po okoîo 2 mm)
    tak aby nie uszkodziêwarstwy napylonej.
2.Ze starej cewki,trafoka itp. odwinâê potrzebny kawaîek cieniutkiego drucika
    emaliowanego którego koïcówki opaliê z emalii i oblutowaê.
3.Lutownicâ bardzo maîej mocy dolutowac drucik do odrapanych stron taômy.
    (wymaga to trochë zgrabnoôci i nietrzësâcych râk :)  )
4.Caîoôê zabezpieczyc np: bezbarwnym lakierem do paznokci

Taôma z nalotem wëglowym

Tak samo tylko zamiast lutowania uûyê kleju przewodzâcego.

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> > a.
>
> A moze zosta/lo zwyczajnie porz.nie,te jakims' msplitem? Wtedy najpierw
> /la,czysz (np. na Amy), a potem na Maca z tym.

Niestety to nie to. Probowalem.

Pozdrawiam

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On 21-Jun-98 21:07:10 Paweî Pawîaszek roît:

>> Ja podîâczyîem, ale na krótko. Dúwiëk z CD-ROMu jest bardzo cichy -- za

>Ja zaryzykowaîem. _*Rewelacja*_. Dlaczego dopiero teraz sië o tym
>dowiedziaîem?
>U mnie dúwiëk jest jakby o poîowë gîoôniejszy niû z Amigi.

Zabawne (odkâd mr. Tywonek zasiadî w zarzâdzie TPSA nie uûywam sîowa
"niemoûliwe"). Ciekawe czy istnieje jakieô racjonalne wytîumaczenie tego
fenomenu?

>Jaki program jest najlepszy do odtwarzania z CD? Ja zaczoîem uûywaê
>*OptyCDPlayer'a*. Sâ jednak dwie niedogodnoôci. Nie mogë wybraê utworu od

Nie wiem który jest najlepszy. ÎADNY jest "Groovyplayer" co nie jest bez
znaczenia zwaûywszy na fakt, ûe wentylator w A4000 i tak zagîusza muzykë.


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> Mam pytanko. Czy jest na liôcie ktoô kto mieszka w Koîobrzegu lub
> wybiera sië tam po 26.06 ...pytam bo jadë tam wypoczâê :-> i moûe
> warto byîo by sië spotkaê, pogadaê i wypiê jakieô pivo.

hmm ... czasem sië wybieram do Koîobrzegu podreptaê po deptaku ... hehe
... w jakimô oôrodku bëdziesz ... wypoczywaî ?! ... podaj coô wiecej :)

> BTW: jest tam moûe jakaô kawiarnia internetowa? wie ktoô coô...

... raczej nie (byê moûe na okres letni coô bëdzie ?)... sâ firmy komputerowe ... ale takie ûe ...

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Czolem!

Bylem na AS, przywiozlem sobie stamtad Powerke z 040/25 i 603e+ 160MHz. Mam
tylko jedno pytanie: czemu sysinfo, ktore wczesniej (na 030/50) pokazywalo
ze mam z mojego HDD transfer ok. 1100 KB/s, teraz twierdzi ze jest 660 KB/s
?!   Czy moze to byc wina zasilacza? Mam zwyly, 4,5 A.
O dziwo ciagnie karte z 16 MB ram, HDD 270 MB Seagate'a i CDx4 i nawet nie
proboje wybuchac :)

Aha, glupie pytanie: czy da sie wyeliminowac to, ze po reboocie (lub
wlaczeniu) trzeba czekac 7 sekund az dysk ruszy?

Greetz,

p.s. przed chwila kopnalem sobie dyskietke z progsami do obslugi  SCSI na
dysk i  kontrolka HDD juz nie zgasla. Nawet po on/off. W koncu odpialem dysk
i wlaczylem. Swieci. Podlaczylem. Zgasla. Dziala. Dziwne. Moze komu sie taka
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Dnia 16-Cze-98, Paweî Pawîaszek rzekî co nastëpuje:
> On 12-Jun-98, Miloslaw Smyk wrote:
>> Dnia 12-Cze-98, Siera rzekî co nastëpuje:
>>
>>> Ostatnio dziwnie czesto wiesza mi sie doslownie wszystko (virusow niby
nie
>> ma)
>>> dzieje sie tak gîównie przy ostwieraniu róûnych okien (requesterow tez)
>>> Co na ten temat sadzicie.
>>
>> Nie masz przypadkiem aktywnej zmiennej USESEMAPHORES?
>
> Ja mam tâ zmiennâ wîâczonâ i nie zauwaûyîem takich problemów. Prawdë
mówiâc
> nie wiem dokîadnie do czego sîuûy, lecz po przeczytaniu, ûe jest *system*
> *friendly* - wîâczyîem jâ.

W doku jest równieû napisane, ûe w pewnych okolicznoôciach mogâ nastâpiê
zwiechy, a które to okolicznoôci miaîy u mnie miejsce na tyle czësto, ûe z
semaforów chwilowo zrezygnowaîem.


Hej,
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Dnia 22-Cze-98, Dariusz Kleina napisal:

> Ostatnio dostalem archiwym zawierajace programy pod mac-a. Calosc
> jest spakowana stuffitem. Jednak problem polega na tym, ze archiwum
> jest podzielone na 3 czesci o nazwach
>
>         plik.sit.1
>         plik.sit.2
>         plik.sit.3
> Prawdopodobnie archiwum zostalo podzielone za pomaca Stuffit-Deluxe-
> a.

A moze zostaîo zwyczajnie porûniëte jakimô msplitem? Wtedy najpierw
îâczysz (np. na Amy), a potem na Maca z tym.

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Dnia 22-Cze-98, Aleksander Salwa napisaî:

>     Jak wyglada koordynacja dzialan Amiga Translators'
> Organisation ?
> Tzn., jak chce cos potlumaczyc, co mam poczytac (WWW ?), z kim/gdzie sie
> skontaktowac ?

Na poczâtek: http://amiga.com.pl/ato/

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Hello Adam

On 19-Cze-98, you wrote:

> Analizujâc artki w gazetach na temat wspóîpracy amisi z monitorem vga/svga
mam kilka pytaï praktycznych (w koïcu trzeba zakupiê monitor svga):

Polecam NEC MultiSync 3D, îapie wszystko, nawet PAL.
Ûadnych scandublerów, tylko rgb-vga. Full bajera.
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On Mon, 22 Jun 1998, Mahomet wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Tygrys wrote:
>
> > To nie jest blad... polecam stosowne RFC.
> skad zdobyc takie stosowne RFC ?

oczywiscie mozna je sobie sciagnac z sieci... Poszukajcie sobie, haslo RFC
;). Jezeli bedzie wieksze zainteresowanie to postaram sie wszystkie RFCe
jakie posiadam (jakies 2000) umiescic na jednym z kowerow CD MA.
Bedzie do tego mala pomoc tematyczne w guidzie.

> Michal Szota (mah0met)  [e-mail]  [e-mail]

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Czesc !!!

Ostatnio dostalem archiwym zawierajace programy pod mac-a. Calosc
jest spakowana stuffitem. Jednak problem polega na tym, ze archiwum
jest podzielone na 3 czesci o nazwach

        plik.sit.1
        plik.sit.2
        plik.sit.3
Prawdopodobnie archiwum zostalo podzielone za pomaca Stuffit-Deluxe-
a. Jednak za zadne skarby nie moge tego archiwum polaczyc w jedna
calosc, tak aby mozna bylo je rozpakowac. Stuffit wywala komunikat o
tym, ze plik jest uszkodzony i mam spadac. czy ktos wie jak sobie z
tym poradzic.

ps. Jestem pewien, ze archiwum nie jest uszkodzone.
ps2. ikonki tych plikow wygladaja ja te dolanczane do plikow ktorych
pochodzenia mak nie jest w stanie okreslic, a stuffit delux-e
dolancza dosc "gustowne" ikonki.

Pozdrawiam

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At 07:45 98-06-22 +0200, you wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Tygrys wrote:
>
>> To nie jest blad... polecam stosowne RFC.
>skad zdobyc takie stosowne RFC ?
wszystkie rfc mozna zdobyc na praktycznie kazdym servie ftp.
np: ftp.amu.edu.pl/pub/rfc
ten od SMTP to rfc1090.txt
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Witam !
Mam pytanko - czy ktos zna jakis program pod PPC ktory potrafi pokazywac
JPEGi na CGXAGA by Phase5 ??? Jesli tak to prosilbym od razu o
podeslanie...
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    Jak wyglada koordynacja dzialan Amiga Translators'
Organisation ?
 Tzn., jak chce cos potlumaczyc, co mam poczytac (WWW ?), z kim/gdzie sie
skontaktowac ?

    Hej !

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Witam

Czy ktos, moglby opisac jakiego oprogramowania uzyc i jak je
skonfigurowac pod Linex'em i386, aby moc przez RS232 podlaczyc do niego
Amige, Linux ma tez byc routerem dla amigi. Mialem to poprzednio pod
DOS-em i KAQ net-tem, ale zmieniam system pecetowy na Linuxa. Amiga
bedzie dziala pod AmiTCP i chyba (tak bylo wczesnej) slip'em.

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On Sun, 21 Jun 1998, Tygrys wrote:

> To nie jest blad... polecam stosowne RFC.
skad zdobyc takie stosowne RFC ?

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Czesc.

>Mam A600, któr± trzymam w szafie bo ma uszkodzon± klawiaturê. Usterka polega
>na wytarciu koñcówek ta¶my. Zwracam siê do Was z pro¶b± o jakie¶ pomys³y jak
>to naprawiæ. Mo¿e kto¶ ma sprzedaæ tak± ta¶mê lub ca³± klawiaturê?

Mozesz poszukac w sklepach elektronicznych plynny grafit i nadlac takie
sciezki.
Kiedys tak zrobilem i bylo calkiem dobrze.

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Czeôê,
Napisaîeô(aô):   /dnia Niedziela, 21-Cze-98/
>> Mam taki problem:
>> postawiîem sobie w domu serwer SMTP (z Aminetu -
comm/tcp/AmiTCPsmtpd.lha) i
>> przy wysyîaniu na niego poczty z *wielu* serwerów pisze, ûe zamiast
*HELO*
>> otrzymuje komendë *EHLO*. Pomijam, ûe to faktycznie jest bîâd, chyba z
>> oprogramowaniem serweru.

> To nie jest blad... polecam stosowne RFC.

A moze bys polecil jakis stosowny serwer SMTP, ktory takich numerow z EHLO
nie robi?

p.s. Probowalem przekompilowac tamtego (bo jest ze zrodlem), ale brakuje mu
<inetdlib.h> (mam netinclude'y z AmiTCP-SDK 4.3), TCPLog() oraz z czym
bedzie
wiekszy problem, to brak zmiennej "server_socket" (typu int).

p.s.2. Jako, iz obecnie nie posiadam RFC opisujacy protokol SMTP, to moze
opisz do czego sluzy "EHLO"? Albo podeslij RFC na priva.

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Czesc wszystkim !
 Posiadam Amige 1200 (zupelnie gola) i stary klon pc (8086, bez HDD,
dwie stacje dyskietek 5'25, 512kB RAMu - to wszystko, co wiem na jego
temat). Chcial bym polaczyc je ze soba (Amiga jako server a pc jako
terminal).
 I tu prosba do ambitnych amigowcow lubiocych niecodzienne wyzwania.
Jezeli ktos wie jak tego mozna dokonac lub posiada jakiekolwiek
informacje na temat uzadzen, karty, kabli, oprogramowania i tak
dalej... to prosil bym o kontakt:
  [e-mail]
lub
  [e-mail]
Za wszelkie informacje bede szczerze wdzieczny.
                             Henryk

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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Wojciech Kocjan wrote:
> Czeôê,

Witaj

> Mam taki problem:
> postawiîem sobie w domu serwer SMTP (z Aminetu - comm/tcp/AmiTCPsmtpd.lha) i
> przy wysyîaniu na niego poczty z *wielu* serwerów pisze, ûe zamiast *HELO*
> otrzymuje komendë *EHLO*. Pomijam, ûe to faktycznie jest bîâd, chyba z
> oprogramowaniem serweru.

To nie jest blad... polecam stosowne RFC.

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On Sat, 20 Jun 1998, Adam Majewski wrote:

> >> AmigaOS nie byî projektowany do pracy jako serwer sieciowy,
> >> nie nadaje sië do tego z przynajmniej kilku powodów.
[snip]
> >Macintosh ma te same wady, co wcale nie przeszkadza sprzedawaê
> >Mac Servera, czy jak to sië tam nazywa i to za ciëûkie pieniâdze.

Powód jest prosty: systemy te majâ wôród "specjalistów" opinië
"bezpiecznych". Piszë "bezpiecznych", bo UNIX moûna uczyniê równie
bezpiecznym po prostu wyîâczajâc wiëkszoôê demonów odpalanych zwykle przy
standardowej konfiguracji. Piszë "specjalistów", bo specjaliôci, w
przeciwieïstwie do "specjalistów", doskonale o tym wiedzâ. Oczywiôcie,
porzâdna obsîuga systemu UNIXowego wymaga wiedzy i czasu, lub pieniëdzy na
opîacenie kogoô majâcego te dwie rzeczy. Stâd popularnoôê prostych
systemów typu "zero maintenance", typu MacOS czy WinNT. W gruncie rzeczy
jest to teû miejsce dla AmigaOS, o ile dziaîa na przyzwoitym hardware -
tyle, ûe nie ma chyba na rynku kompleksowych rozwiâzaï tego typu, w stylu
"zainstaluj i chodzi". Ale ogólnie, to ja jakoô nie wierzë w to "zero
maintenance", bo kîóci sië ono w jaskrawy sposób z fundamentalnymi prawami
ûycia codziennego, takimi jak zîoôliwoôê rzeczy martwych i prawa
Murphy'ego.

> >PS: A Plukwa, to co, nie serwer sieciowy aby?
> a nasza lista dyskusyjna... a konta na amiga.com.pl....
>  to niby klony ????????

Aleû jesteôcie draûliwi... :-) Ale moûe mi sië i naleûaîo za to
sformuîowanie "nie nadaje sië". Fakt, jest ono doôê kategoryczne, ale
przecieû wiadomo, ûe jak sië czîowiek uprze, to niemal wszystko zrobi. W
tym i serwer internetowy na AmigaOS, taki jak plukwa. Bo co sië tyczy
amiga.com.pl, to czy on przypadkiem nie chodzi na Amidze, ale pod NetBSD?

Naprawdë moim zdaniem nie ma sië o co obruszaê. To, ûe AmigaOS nie byî
projektowany z myôlâ o wielouûytkownikowoôci, pracy w sieci itp. to fakt.
To, ûe sâ systemy nadajâce sië do tego znacznie lepiej, to teû fakt. I nie
ma czego negowaê. Popytajcie administratorów serwerów pracujâcych pod
AmigaOS, jak czësto rebootujâ maszyny i porównajcie to z maszynami
pracujâcymi pod UNIXem. A dostëpnoôê serwerów to jedno z podstawowych
kryteriów badania ich jakoôci. AmigaOS nie jest tak uniwersalnym systemem,
jak sië to niektórym wydaje. Nie jest to jednak powód do pîaczu.
Powszechnoôê Internetu powoduje co prawda wzrost liczby maszyn typu
serwer, ale liczba maszyn typu klient roônie nieporównanie szybciej.

/ Kamil Iskra    AmigaOS  Linux/i386  Linux/m68k               \
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Czeôê,

Mam taki problem:
postawiîem sobie w domu serwer SMTP (z Aminetu - comm/tcp/AmiTCPsmtpd.lha) i
przy wysyîaniu na niego poczty z *wielu* serwerów pisze, ûe zamiast *HELO*
otrzymuje komendë *EHLO*. Pomijam, ûe to faktycznie jest bîâd, chyba z
oprogramowaniem serweru.

Ale byîo tak samo i na kki.net.pl, jak i na kaûdym friko.onet.pl, a ja
chciaîbym, ûeby on nie robiî takich cyrków. Czy ktoô zna jakiô lepszy (moûe
taki, który umiaîby wyjôê na ôwiat - ten nie umie) serwer?

Z powaûaniem,
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>> AmigaOS nie byî projektowany do pracy jako serwer sieciowy,
>> nie nadaje sië do tego z przynajmniej kilku powodów.
>> Po pierwsze, nie jest to system przeznaczony do pracy ciâgîej
>> (pamiëê ulega nieodwracalnej fragmentacji).
>> Po drugie, system nie jest bezpieczny i za îatwo moûna go wyîoûyê,
>> co wyklucza wielouûytkownikowoôê.

>Macintosh ma te same wady, co wcale nie przeszkadza sprzedawaê
>Mac Servera, czy jak to sië tam nazywa i to za ciëûkie pieniâdze.
>Wiëksze problemy stwarza brak w systemie standardowej obsîugi
>kont i praw dostëpu do plików. Jakoô sië to jednak daje rozwiâzaê,
>bo trochë tego oprogramowania, i serwerowego i klienckiego na
>Amidze jest. Chociaû z pewnoôciâ inne systemy sië do tego nadajâ
>znacznie lepiej.

>PS: A Plukwa, to co, nie serwer sieciowy aby?

a nasza lista dyskusyjna... a konta na amiga.com.pl....
 to niby klony ????????


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Hej.
Mam taki dziwny objaw: jak podîaczam dzwiëk z CD i Amy (najprostszym sposobem)
przez
poîâczenie kabelków to z gîoôników wydostajâ sië takie dziwne dzwiëki.Jak to
zlikwidowaê?
Zastosowaê jakiô filtr albo coô takiego?

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Czeôê,
Trochë póúno ale sâ jeszcze trzy miejsca w autku do Warszawy z Krakowa na AS
na niedzielë. Jeôli ktoô jeszcze zdâûy to czekam pod tel.: [phone]
Pozdrawiam.
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Analizujâc artki w gazetach na temat wspóîpracy amisi z monitorem vga/svga mam kilka pytaï praktycznych (w koïcu trzeba zakupiê monitor svga):

- czy po zainstalowaniu monitora np. optiview bezpoôrednio (przejôciówka rgb<->vga) bez scandoublera (koôê AGA) bëdzie moûna korzystaê np. z przeglâdarki visage ? z tego co wiem ... tryby uzyskane jedynie pozwalajâ na wyôwietlenie do 256 kolorów ... tak wiëc jak przeglâdaê obrazki jak sâ konwercone na ham8 (np. jpeg) ? (prowdopodobnie naleûaîo by kupiê cgfx ... )
... i czy tylko 256 kolorow ?

- po takim podlâczeniu np. EarlyStartUp bëdzie nie widoczny i co w tedy ? ...podobno sâ programiki pozwalajâce na wyôwietlenie ale czy to dziaîa tak jak powinno ?

- po przejôciu na tryb wyûszej rozdzielczoôci DbPal/Ntsc czy inny ... spowolni to amige niû by pracowala w 640x512(w palu) ? (wîasnie ... a pamiëci chip czasem wiëcej nie wetnie ?)

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i jeszcze pytanie dotyczâce drukarki :
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- Lexmark color JetPrinter 1000 (disney) - da sië odpaliê na ami ? Sâ do niej jakieô sterowniki ?
Lub jakie sâ kompatybilne z tâ drukarkâ ...  ? Jeûeli ktoô pracowaî na niej z amy, proszë o informacje...

na priva ...

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Czesc !!!

Od dluzszego czasu uzywam ShapeShifter-a. Jednak ostatnio cos mnie
naszlo i zainstalowalem Fusion-a. Jest tylko maly zgrzyt. Czy mozna
pod tym drugim uzywac partycji z Shapeshiftera. W obecnaj chwili mam
fizyczna partycje na twardzielu o wielkosci 100MB. I za zadne skarby
nie moge z niej wystartowac. Probowalem stworzyc pod SS pliko-
partycje i odpalic z niej Fusiona, ale efekt jest taki sam, tzn.
mozna o tym zapomniec. Czu jest jakis sposob, aby oba emulatory
korzystaly z jednaje partycji ?
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Czesc !!!

> Od dluzszego czasu uzywam ShapeShifter-a. Jednak ostatnio cos mnie
> naszlo i zainstalowalem Fusion-a. Jest tylko maly zgrzyt. Czy mozna
> pod tym drugim uzywac partycji z Shapeshiftera. W obecnaj chwili mam
> fizyczna partycje na twardzielu o wielkosci 100MB. I za zadne skarby
> nie moge z niej wystartowac.

Problem okazal sie banalny. Mialem zainstalowana wersje 1.0 Fusiona.
Z jakiegos powodu nie byl w stanie zbootowac sie z partycji mac-a.
Po przeinstalowaniu na 3.1 sytuacja znacznie sie poprawila.

Ps. Dzieki za pomoc.


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>> Nie masz przypadkiem aktywnej zmiennej USESEMAPHORES?
>
>Ja mam t± zmienn± w³±czon± i nie zauwa¿y³em takich problemów. Prawdê mówi±c
>nie wiem dok³adnie do czego s³u¿y, lecz po przeczytaniu, ¿e jest *system*
>*friendly* - w³±czy³em j±. *Semafory* bardziej kojarz± mi siê z przejazdami
>kolejowymi.
hehehhehe...
wlasnie - w unixie semaphory uzywane sa do synchronizaji procesow -
handshakeing [jako jeden z mechanizmow]. jak to jest zorganizowane w AmigaOS?
czy Workbench jest w ajkis sposob podobny do unixa? czy sa mechanizmy typu
gniazda [datagramowe czy inne], jakim protokolem standardowo sie posluguje?
[pewnie nie TCP czy UDP]. amiga zdaje sie byla projektowana jako konsola -
nie terminal sieciowy [?] wiec ciekawy jestem jak to jest zorganizowane...
        nXr { heh. ile jest wersji AOS? }
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On 19-Jun-98, Kamil Iskra wrote:
> AmigaOS nie byî projektowany do pracy jako serwer sieciowy, nie nadaje
> sië do tego z przynajmniej kilku powodów. Po pierwsze, nie jest to system
> przeznaczony do pracy ciâgîej (pamiëê ulega nieodwracalnej fragmentacji).
> Po drugie, system nie jest bezpieczny i za îatwo moûna go wyîoûyê, co
> wyklucza wielouûytkownikowoôê.

Macintosh ma te same wady, co wcale nie przeszkadza sprzedawaê Mac Servera,
czy jak to sië tam nazywa i to za ciëûkie pieniâdze. Wiëksze problemy
stwarza brak w systemie standardowej obsîugi kont i praw dostëpu do plików.
Jakoô sië to jednak daje rozwiâzaê, bo trochë tego oprogramowania, i
serwerowego i klienckiego na Amidze jest. Chociaû z pewnoôciâ inne systemy
sië do tego nadajâ znacznie lepiej.

PS: A Plukwa, to co, nie serwer sieciowy aby?

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On 19-Jun-98, Dariusz Kleina <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Czesc !!!
>
> Od dluzszego czasu uzywam ShapeShifter-a. Jednak ostatnio cos mnie
> naszlo i zainstalowalem Fusion-a. Jest tylko maly zgrzyt. Czy mozna
> pod tym drugim uzywac partycji z Shapeshiftera. W obecnaj chwili mam
> fizyczna partycje na twardzielu o wielkosci 100MB. I za zadne skarby
> nie moge z niej wystartowac. Probowalem stworzyc pod SS pliko-

U mnie dziaîa to bez jakiegokolwiek zgrzytu. Teû mam fizyczna 100MB
a na niej system 7.5.1 i jak dotâd wszystko gra - choê wolë Shapeshiftera-

> partycje i odpalic z niej Fusiona, ale efekt jest taki sam, tzn.
> mozna o tym zapomniec. Czu jest jakis sposob, aby oba emulatory
> korzystaly z jednaje partycji ?
> Pozdrawiam


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> Od dluzszego czasu uzywam ShapeShifter-a. Jednak ostatnio cos mnie
> naszlo i zainstalowalem Fusion-a. Jest tylko maly zgrzyt. Czy mozna
> pod tym drugim uzywac partycji z Shapeshiftera. W obecnaj chwili mam
> fizyczna partycje na twardzielu o wielkosci 100MB. I za zadne skarby
> nie moge z niej wystartowac. Probowalem stworzyc pod SS pliko-
> partycje i odpalic z niej Fusiona, ale efekt jest taki sam, tzn.
> mozna o tym zapomniec. Czu jest jakis sposob, aby oba emulatory
> korzystaly z jednaje partycji ?

Ja uzywam jednej partycji dla ShapeShiftera i Fusiona.  Bez problemu.

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> >Wersji? Tak ogolnie to 1.0 , 1.2, 1.3,  pozniej 2.0 , 2.04, 2.1, 3.0, i
3.1.
> > To taki odzial ogolny, nie wiem czy byl system 1.1
> Byî system 1.1, do tego dorzuê jeszcze 2.05.

To ja dorzucam 2.40 he he, czy ktos o nim slyszal? Mialem go u siebie na A500
przez jakis czas ;)

Pozdrawiam

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Dnia 19-Cze-98, Borys Harasimowicz napisaî:
>On 19-Cze-98, Le WarFrog annoyed his keyboard in this way


>>         nXr { heh. ile jest wersji AOS? }

>Wersji? Tak ogolnie to 1.0 , 1.2, 1.3,  pozniej 2.0 , 2.04, 2.1, 3.0, i 3.1.
> To taki odzial ogolny, nie wiem czy byl system 1.1
Byî system 1.1, do tego dorzuê jeszcze 2.05.

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On Fri, 19 Jun 1998, Le WarFrog wrote:

> wlasnie - w unixie semaphory uzywane sa do synchronizaji procesow -
> handshakeing [jako jeden z mechanizmow]. jak to jest zorganizowane w AmigaOS?

Przy pomocy semaforów.

> czy Workbench jest w ajkis sposob podobny do unixa? czy sa mechanizmy typu
> gniazda [datagramowe czy inne], jakim protokolem standardowo sie posluguje?

Workbench to nie jest system operacyjny. Co sië tyczy AmigaOS, to gniazd
nie ma, bo AmigaOS nie zostaî zaprojektowany jako system sieciowy.
Oczywiôcie, mamy lata 90-te i odpowiednie biblioteki z obsîugâ socketów o
funkcjonalnoôci zbliûonej do UNIXowych istniejâ.

> [pewnie nie TCP czy UDP]. amiga zdaje sie byla projektowana jako konsola -
> nie terminal sieciowy [?] wiec ciekawy jestem jak to jest zorganizowane...

AmigaOS nie byî projektowany do pracy jako serwer sieciowy, nie nadaje
sië do tego z przynajmniej kilku powodów. Po pierwsze, nie jest to system
przeznaczony do pracy ciâgîej (pamiëê ulega nieodwracalnej fragmentacji).
Po drugie, system nie jest bezpieczny i za îatwo moûna go wyîoûyê, co
wyklucza wielouûytkownikowoôê.

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On 19-Cze-98, Le WarFrog annoyed his keyboard in this way

. amiga zdaje sie byla projektowana jako konsola -
> nie terminal sieciowy [?] wiec ciekawy jestem jak to jest zorganizowane...

Heh! Ja mam w domu folder reklamowy o A3000/25 UNIX - wersja z UNIXem,
przystosowana do pracy jako serwer... Nie ma co, za...sta konsola ;D

>         nXr { heh. ile jest wersji AOS? }

Wersji? Tak ogolnie to 1.0 , 1.2, 1.3,  pozniej 2.0 , 2.04, 2.1, 3.0, i 3.1.
 To taki odzial ogolny, nie wiem czy byl system 1.1

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Dnia 19-Cze-98, Adam Kaúmierski napisal:

> - czy po zainstalowaniu monitora np. optiview bezpoôrednio (przejôciówka
rgb<->vga) bez scandoublera (koôê AGA) bëdzie moûna korzystaê np. z
przeglâdarki visage ? z tego co wiem ... tryby uzyskane jedynie pozwalajâ
na wyôwietlenie do 256 kolorów ... tak wiëc jak przeglâdaê obrazki jak sâ
konwercone na ham8 (np. jpeg) ? (prowdopodobnie naleûaîo by kupiê cgfx ...

Nie. W DblPAL-u dostëpne sâ równieû tryby HAM8, EHB i wszystkie inne
wynalazki. Tak wiëc JPEG-i bëdziesz oglâdaî w HAM8. Ja mam Visage i
wszystko oglâdam w DblPAL-u (mimo ûe mam monitor M1438, ale daîem w
wywoîaniu parametr WBMONITOR, a WB mam w DblPAL-u (704x512)).

> - po takim podlâczeniu np. EarlyStartUp bëdzie nie widoczny i co w tedy
? ...podobno sâ programiki pozwalajâce na wyôwietlenie ale czy to dziaîa
> tak jak powinno ?

Normalnie nie widaê Boot Menu, a te programiki dziaîajâ, ale dopiero po
wczytaniu (czyli za pierwszym razem musisz puôciê startup-sequence) i do
wyîâczenia komputera.

> - po przejôciu na tryb wyûszej rozdzielczoôci DbPal/Ntsc czy inny ...
> spowolni to amige niû by pracowala w 640x512(w palu) ? (wîasnie ... a
> pamiëci chip czasem wiëcej nie wetnie ?)

Tak, trochë spowolni pracë w chip-ramie, w koïcu przy DblPAL-u w
porównaniu do PAL Laced jest przesyîane dwa razy tyle danych w jednostce
czasu. Natomiast zuûycie chip-ramu nie zmienia sië.

Z drugiej strony pamiëtaj, ûe nawet jak bëdziesz miaî scandoubler, to i
tak nie bëdziesz mógî uûywaê PAL Laced zamiast DblPAL NoFlicker.
Scaldoubler przeplotu nie eliminuje...

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Witam Szanownych!

Moj kolega kupil sobie niedawno do swojej A500 drukarke. Drukarka ta nazywa NEC Pinwritter P2200.
Tu jego problem, czy ktos z Was mial podobna i wie w jaki sposob i jakimi
programami zmusic ja do poprawnej pracy z A500. Koles bedzie barrrrrdzo wdzieczny.


Drugie jego pytanie dotyczy takiej starej gry handlowej. Nazywa sie ona Vermer, czy jakos tak.
Gdyby ktos posiadal, to prosze o kontakt na priva.


Z pozdrowieniami!

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    Cze..  Jak  na  WF  stworzyc animacje wykorzystujac pluginy? Tworze sobie
liste  efektow w *Processor*, ale wynik mojego ustawienia moge obejrzec tylko
dzieki  *SingleProject*,  co  mnie  nie  bawi..  Jak  (czy w ogole sie da) to
zrobic?  Gdzie  wykonac  skrypt  utworzony w menu *Processor*, tak, abym mogl
okreslic ilosc ramek i stworzyc np. falujacy szescian? Mam wersje 3.55.

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On 17-Jun-98, Krzysztof Chrobot <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Amiga RULEZ!!!
>
> Czy na Ami jest jakiô szybszy soft do rozkodowywania haseî unixowych
> niû John the Ripper 1.4 - na 68060 50MHz maxymalny wynik to 1450 c/s,
> a mój kumpel na pENTIUM 133MHz ma 13000 c/s - jak widaê róúnica
> wydajnoôci tego samego programu jest troszku duûa:( Tak to jest
> jak coô sië przenosi z pc na Ami bez optymalizacji kodu.

Jest. Nazywa sië Mentat a napisaî go Sauron. Na 040/40MHz robi 1200 haseî/sek
mimo to do Pëtiuma duûo jeszcze brakuje (ciekawe dlaczego...).

To narazie.
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 Witam.

Juz jakis czas temu chcialem napisac list do redaktorow
Magazynu AMIGA. Dlaczego? A to dlatego, ze coraz czesciej
dochodzilem do wniosku czytajac magazyn, ze redaktorzy stosuja
technike typu "zapchaj dziure". Jednak, kiedy zobaczylem
ostatni numer jestem tego pewien. Wlasnie ten nowy "layout"
temu wlasnie ma sluzyc! Prosze porownac ilosc informacji
pisanych w aktualnym numerze z poprzednimi. Wg mnie spadla
gdzies ok. 50%. Reszta miejsca poszla na: puste miejsca
miedzy literami, liniami, obwodkami, wyolbrzymienie tytulow,
idotyczne wypelniacze jakimi sa roznej masci obrazki bez
ktorych artykul moglby sie obejsc a jednak je wcisnieto, bez
komentarza czy odnosnika w tekscie, czesto powtorzonych,
i to do jakiej wielkosci! (b. dobrym przykladem jest rysunek
przedstawiajacy granice panstw Europy Srodkowej, ktory jest
zlej jakosci, nie przedstawia jakichkolwiek szczegolow a zostal
wydrukowany na pol strony, zreszta wogole nie powinno go tam
byc). Korelacja miedzy tekstem a obrazkami jest praktycznie zadna
Ta maniera goscila juz wczesniej na lamach MA jednak w ostanim
numerze przeszla sama siebie.
Owszem, prawda jest to, ze nad gustami sie nie dyskutuje, i nie
zamierzam komus tlumaczyc, ze cos jest ladniejsze od czegos.
Mnie w niczym nie przeszkadzala stara forma graficzna, nowa takze
bym zaakceptowal, gdyby tylko nie wiazala sie z tym, o czym pisalem
wyzej. Choc nie do konca. Zastanowilem sie i stwierdzam, ze
forma graficzna moze byc lepsza lub gorsza a to ze wzgledu na
ERGONOMIE. Tak, tak Szanowni Panstwo, rodzaj czcionek, ich kroj,
wielkosc, odstepy, (pomijam zawartosc merytoryczna i forme
stylistyczna tekstu) itd. doskonale wplywa na komfort czytania.
(Oj, gdzie te stare dobre wydania ksiazkowe?!)
Kretynizmem jest mowienie, ze nowsze jest lepsze (a lepsze jest
dlatego, ze nowsze).

Na usprawiedliwienie przemawiaja fakty: ze praktycznie tylko Pan
M. Pampuch tworzy (pisze) MA, i tworzy go za pomoca programu
amigowego  (a moze poprawnie powonno byc: majacego swoj rodowod
amigowski?), ze naklad jest niewielki, ze dochod maly i ogolnie,
ze coraz trudniej o dobrych fachowcow dobrze piszacych (w temacie
Amigi).



                                        Adam S.



P.S.1: Prenumeruje MA od samego poczatku i chce dalej go czytac
    (czytac!), jednak te wcisniete gdzie popadnie obrazki naprawde
    mnie grzeja (irytuja).
P.S.2: W dobie, kiedy powstaje tak niewiele na Amige postuluje
       za wydawaniem CD-ROMu do MA najwyzej raz na kwartal (nie
       poslalem ankiety, wiec nie moglem sie wypowiedziec)

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czesc,
mam modem (zewnetrzny zoom 33k) ktory ostatnio dziwnie sie zachowuje...
od pewnego czasu nie daje sie zresetowac (tak twierdzi miami) ale jak
zapuscilem miamiinit to programik stwierdzil ze zawartosc pamieci
nieulotnej modemu jest nieodpowiednia do wspolpracy z miami i proponuje
poprawienie powyzszego problemu (wybieram OK i modem nie stwarza
problemow podczas konfigurowania);
klopot w tym, ze taki komnikat wita mnie za kazdym razem gdy odpalam
miamiinit wiec chyba cos jest nie tak z tym zapisywaniem do pamieci
nieulotnej modemu...
o co w tym wszystkim chodzi?
moze trzeba cos jeszcze zrobic by modem w koncu zadzialal... moze jednak
bez serwisu sie nie obejdzie?

narg.

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Witam

Mam prosbe do Amigowcow z Warszawy. Otoz jade na AS ale nie mam gdzie
przenocowac. Tak wiec jesli ktos z was mieszka w warszawie i moglby przyjac
jednego Amigowca do siebie na jedna noc to bede wielce zobowiazany.

I prosilbym o w miare szybki reply bo poczte odbieram ostatni raz przed
wyjazdem jutro tzn w piatek wieczorem. Mozna mnie tez zlapac na AS - wyrozniam
sie biala czapka z czarnym napisem Amiga (w przeciwienstwie do czarnych czapek
z bialym napisem)

Dzieki i pozdrawiam

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Sprzedam (w miare mozliwosci jak najszybciej) monitor:

Producent: JVC
Typ: 20 cali, analogowy, oddzielne sterowanie kazdego trybu
Rok prod.: 1993
Stan: lekko rozjechany kontrast na rogach, poza tym swiezo po przegladzie
w pelni sprawny.
Pracowalem na nim 3-4 lata na komputerach PC, Amiga i Macintosh (obecnie).
Tryby: 640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1200x1024 60-75 Hz

Lokalizacja: Warszawa (nie dysponuje wozem, trzeba by po niego
przyjechac, mozna sie umowic i obejrzec oczywiscie - ten list na nim
wlasnie pisze :)

Cena: proponuje 1500zl.

W rozliczeniu moge wziac:

PC-Pentium 100 kompletny bez monitora (to najchetniej!);

HD IDE 500MB-1GB, CD ATAPI, obudowe minitower z FDD/klawiatura/mysza, itp
itd. czyli czesci do zlozenia PC (bez plyty i RAMu bo to mam/bede mial)

Aparat cyfrowy QuickTake 150 najchetniej albo inny dzialajacy z
Macintoshem (jesli jakis lepszy to mozemy dokonac transakcji
bezgotowkowej).

Wideo (inaczej VCR) nie za wymyslne, stare, byle dzialalo, ew. zewnetrzny
tuner TV z wyjsciem na cinche.

Jestem ogolnie otwarty na propozycje handlu wymiennego bezgotowkowego.
Prosze wiec o oferty.

Kontakt: 0-602-769877 w dowolnym czasie, email jak w podpisie.




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Hello Arkadiusz Zâbek, on 18-Cze-98    16:33:19 you wrote:
>Czeôê,

>Wîaônie ulegîem mani mp3 i mam w zwiâzku z tym kilka pytaï:

>1. Jaki player ?

Dla 040/40 koniecznie MPEGA 3.3.

>2. FPU czy bez ?

Bez.

>3. Z jakimi parametrami odtwarzaê (AHI, VGA itp) ?

-d2 (22050Hz niestety), -I i wybierasz tryb AHI, -b to zdaje sië bufor.

>3. Co sâ te skóry dla AmigaAMP ?

Róûne wyglâdy interface. Bardzo îadnie to wyglâda, ale AmigaAMP haczy nawet
na PPC (przy scrollowaniu, operacjach na oknach itp.)

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Dnia 17-Cze-98, kolega Grzegorz Juraszek wystukal na klawiaturze:
>Hello AMIGO, on 17-Cze-98    13:19:35 you wrote:

>>Procka nie podrkece (moja karta prosesorowa na to nie pozwala), a Quake'a i
>>tak bym kupil nawet jak by mi mial chodzic 5FPS. Po to tylko zeby wesprzec
>>Amige.

>Za te 200zl moglbys zarejestrowac 2-3 porzadne programy i o wiele bardziej
>wesprzec Amige.

W Polsce nie ma tradycji rejestracji programow.
BYE!
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Dnia 18-Cze-98, kolega AMIGO wystukal na klawiaturze:
>On 17-Jun-98, Michal Kozusznik wrote:
>[]
>> wlascicielach... bo wlascicielach prywatnych... ?

>Dobra ale nie mow mi, ze wszyscy Amigowcy sa tak biedni, ze nie dostaja w
>domu nic procz obiadu. Przeciez zawsze jest jakies kieszonkowe, ktore
>najczesciej wydaje sie na jakies pierdoly maksymale typu lody, MacDonald,

NO wlasnie. Nie ktorzy przez to by troche tluszczyku zgubili i by wszystkim na
dobre wyszlo.
CZESC!
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Dnia 18-Cze-98, Grzegorz Juraszek napisaî:

>>Chyba dlatego ze wszystko to zlozone do kupy dziala!

>To akurat pecetom nie za bardzo wychodzi.

Tak zle to chyba nie jest. Sam skladam czasem jakiegos peca i bywa, ze nawet
dziala. A ze trzeba windows podinstalowac co pare miesiecy (albo czesciej)...
Dla uzytkownikow peca to normalne.

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Dnia 17-Cze-98, Grzegorz Juraszek napisaî:


>>Procka nie podrkece (moja karta prosesorowa na to nie pozwala), a Quake'a i
>>tak bym kupil nawet jak by mi mial chodzic 5FPS. Po to tylko zeby wesprzec
>>Amige.

>Za te 200zl moglbys zarejestrowac 2-3 porzadne programy i o wiele bardziej
>wesprzec Amige.

A to juz kwestia gustu. Nie dosc, ze popiera sie w ten sposob ClickBoom, to
jeszcze w wypadku sukcesu rynkowego mozna dac wiele do myslenia pecetowym
firmom software'owym.

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Dnia 17-Cze-98, narg napisaî:
>Blazej Lyjak wrote:
>> towarzysze!,
>> po co toczyc dyskusje na tematy nie zwi¹zane z nasz¹ parti¹?;
>> nikt tu nikogo si³¹ nie trzyma, jak towarzysz narg chce siê wypisac
>> i przejc do obozu przeciwników to nic nie stoi na przeszkodzie...
>coz, tu nie chodzi o zwykle przejscie od obozu do obozu tylko o
>zauwazanie pewnych problemow
>teraz powiedzenie 'amiga rulez, pc suxx' juz nie wystarcza

Moim zdaniem zauwazanie problemow jest OK.
Tyle,  ze ja osobiscie staram sie je naprawic wlasnym sumptem i
pomyslem/przemyslem.
No bo co ma zrobic ktos, kto wykryl, ze jest 100 % niekompatybilny z windows
we wszelakiej postaci ?

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Dnia 17-Cze-98, narg napisaî:

>> przynajmniej wiem ze jak mi wylacza prod w czasie pracy komputera
>> to on napewno uruchomi mi sie nastepnym razem co w przypadku win95 i NT
jest
>rzecza zadka.
>nooo, przesadzasz... a jak Amiga akurat bedzie cos zapisywala na dysk to
>co? tez ci sie tak luzacko uruchomi?

Ja tylko w sprawie formalnej. Pewnie chodzi Ci o walidacje , tak ?
Od wiekow dostepny jest system AFS, ktory powyzszy jak i kilka innych
problemow skutecznie usuwa. I nie ma juz problemu. I Ami sie luzacko
uruchamia.
Acha, jeszcze jedno.
Nie chce mi sie odpowiadac na listy " AFS suxx - bo mi cos padlo".
Po poprawnym zainstalowaniu dobrej wersji w AFS nie ma prawa nic pasc, tak
samo zreszta jak i w FFS (oczywiscie poza walidacja).
Sprawdzane u mnie i u wielu znajomych od roku, problemow zero.

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  Hi !!!
Dnia 07-Cze-98, Krzysztof Chrobot napisal:

>> Jak polaczyc pliki odebrane z BitFTP ???
>
> Potrzebny jest dowolny edytor ASCII np. AmiTextPro. Z poziomu YAMa musisz
> wyexportowaê maile z BitFTPa do jednego pliku textowego - uwaûaj na kolejnoôê
> exportowanych maili (numer 1 musi byê najwyûej, póúniej 2, 3 itd - po prostu
> wîâcz sortowanie wedîug nazw). Odpalasz AmiTexta, wczytujesz wyeksportowany z
> YAMa plik i zaczyna sië zabawa... Musisz wyciachaê wszystkie nagîówki maili

Sam doszedlem do innego rozwiazania (duzo wygodniejszego). Traktuje wyeksportowany plik programikiem UUxT (aminet util/arch). Oszczedza on sporo czasu (i nerwow). Ale dzieki za pomoc !

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>  Ostatnio mam problemy ze swoim drivem.

 Ja tez mam problemy z Samsungiem 24x.
Pierwszy chodzil miesiac, poczym zaczal terkotac jak stary
traktor. Wymienili mi go na nowy i chodzil dwa miesiace
i przestal czytac plyty (odczytywal co dziesiaty raz
po wlozeniu plyty). Zanioslem do sprzedawcy i wyslali
do serwisu. Pewno poczekam troche.
Gdyby mozna bylo zaraz bym go wymienil na inny.(innej f-my)
A moze mam wielkiego pecha:(

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Hello Marek Telecki, on 18-Cze-98    10:08:34 you wrote:

>zreszta najlepiej pasuje tu stwierdzenie "ludzie ludziom zgotowali ten los".

Przecieû to slogan (c) Microsoft :-)

ps. Widziaîem teû takâ kartkë na drzwiach stoîówki w akademiku :-)

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Czeôê,

Wîaônie ulegîem mani mp3 i mam w zwiâzku z tym kilka pytaï:

1. Jaki player ?
2. FPU czy bez ?
3. Z jakimi parametrami odtwarzaê (AHI, VGA itp) ?
3. Co sâ te skóry dla AmigaAMP ?

Mój konfig Amigi jak niûej (+VGA Multiscan Prod., Paula)
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Hello Jejek Mierzowski, on 18-Cze-98    09:25:53 you wrote:

>Sprzedam rozszerzenie 8+1 MB pamieci (made by Eureka) za smieszne
>pieniadze (co laska - tam jest l z kreska :)
>Z zegarkiem i podstawka pod koproc.

Akurat czegos takiego szukam. Na czym polega to 8+1? Bedziesz na AS?

Pozdrowienia,

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Czeôê,

Potrzebuje skalowalnej czcionki przypominajâcej (takiej samej) czcionkë
którâ zostaîo wykonane logo AMIGA (to z czerwonâ kropkâ nad "i"). Fajnie by
byîo gdyby font miaî polskie znaki w AmigaPL.

Posiadajâcych proszë o kontakt na priva.

Pozdrawiam.
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 Czesc! Ponownie zapisalem sie na AmigaPL po roku nieobecnosci. Przesiadka
z poczciwej 600tki na 1200tke wizala sie z czasem jaki potrzebowalem na
zdobycie
na nia pieniedzy. Teraz doszedl modem, a wiec skoro mam juz dostep do sieci
prosze Was o rozpatrzenie nastepujacego problemu:
Kupilem karte Elboxa ( 030 / 40 MHz ). Od poczatku uzytkowania mam z nia
pewien
problem. Otoz przy uruchamianiu roznych programow (nawet czasami Workbench
to powoduje) wyskakuje znany wszystkim requester i komputer sie wiesza.
MCP w soim logu rejestruje to mniej wiecej tak( sorry za dlugosc):

Date  : Sunday 17-May-98 15:27:47
Task  : 00058000 "Unknown"
Error : 00000610 (Recoverable)
By    : System
Cause : Unknown
----------------------------------------
Date  : Sunday 17-May-98 18:45:53
Task  : 0043E1F8 "New Process"
Error : 8000000B (DEADEND)
By    : System
Cause : Line 1111 Emulator error
----------------------------------------
Date  : Sunday 17-May-98 19:27:38
Task  : 003333C8 "Workbench"
Error : 80000004 (DEADEND)
By    : System
Cause : Illegal instruction
----------------------------------------
Date  : Sunday 17-May-98 22:32:14
Task  : 004D5928 "Background CLI"
Error : 80000003 (DEADEND)
By    : System
Cause : Illegal address access (ie: odd)
----------------------------------------
Date  : Sunday 17-May-98 22:33:28
Task  : 003E0058 "Shell Process"
Error : 80000004 (DEADEND)
By    : System
Cause : Illegal instruction
----------------------------------------
Date  : Monday 18-May-98 17:35:16
Task  : 003AD290 "New Process"
Error : 80000006 (DEADEND)
By    : System
Cause : Check instruction error
----------------------------------------
Date  : Wednesday 20-May-98 16:05:53
Task  : 003850E8 "Unknown"
Error : 0100000F (Recoverable)
By    : ExecLibrary
Cause : Memory header not located.

Nie wiem czy jest wina karty, czy pamieci w niej zalozonej (EDO).
Nie mam na niej koprocha. Prosze o odpowiedz.

  Tbone

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On 17-Jun-98, Michal Kozusznik wrote:
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> wlascicielach... bo wlascicielach prywatnych... ?

Dobra ale nie mow mi, ze wszyscy Amigowcy sa tak biedni, ze nie dostaja w
domu nic procz obiadu. Przeciez zawsze jest jakies kieszonkowe, ktore
najczesciej wydaje sie na jakies pierdoly maksymale typu lody, MacDonald,
glupia gazetka, zarcie dodatkowe, cukierki, etc. Przeciez od biedy mozna z
tych rzeczy zrezygnowac i juz budzet domowy powiekszy sie nawet znacznie !

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On 18-Jun-98, Piotr Czerniawski wrote:
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>> Po drugie sa dwie wersje quakePPC na ami i moze niektorzy maja
>> inna wolniejsza niz ja wersje.
>
> Sprawdzaîem obie i obie sâ szybsze na AGA.

Wlasnie... Czy ktos ma moze te druga wersje Quake'aPPC (te z kompartu Phase5
Cyberstorma mam) ?

Kolega mnie prosil.

THX !

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On 18-Jun-98, Grzegorz Juraszek wrote:
>>mysle, ze ci co mieli odejsc od Ami juz to zrobili
>Chyba spó¼ni³e¶ siê na poci±g. To pewnie przez strajk.

Hahaha, niezle i na czasie...:))

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On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Adam Smolka wrote:

> Czy pamietacie AudioMastera?
> Dawno temu sie nim bawilem (takze w czasach, kiedy mialem A500)
> i zastanawiam sie teraz jak ten problem wygladal wtedy.
> Samplowalem z czestotliwoscia ~50 kHz i odtwarzalem z ta sama!
> A przynajmniej tak mi sie wydawalo. Byc moze te faktyczne 50kHz
> mozna bylo uzyskac tylko w trybie PlayHiFi (przy tym sposobie

Wiec tak: Pamietamy taki program.
Odtwarzanie sampli przy f>28kHz bylo uzyskiwanie przez dzielenie
czestotliwosci... Odtwarza jest co druga probka z czstotliwoscia dwa razy
mniejsza... W efekcie wysokosc dziieku jest taka sama.

Tryb Hi-Fi powodowal tylko (wg opisu AudioMastera) wylaczenie wyswietlania
obrazu co mialo eliminowac szumy w ten sposob powstale oraz przerwania,
aby zadna inna aplikacja nie mogla wplynac na odtwarzanie dzwieku.. tak to
mniej wiecej zapamietalem.


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Cze !

On 17-Cze-98, you wrote:

>
> Ja w ogole nie przepadam za bandycko-napadalskimi lupaninami 3D, ale to
moj
> gust. Nie podoba mi sie tylko, ze byle jaki chlam rzucony na pusty amigowy

> rynek robi sie zaraz 'wielkim przebojem'.
>

Oj Yoyo ..... podpadasz :) Wychodzi nieznajomoôê , chociaû w 40% rynku PC
...

Quake to nie byle chîam , bynajmniej . Ja na tym milionów nie zarobiîem ale
ID i owszem .

Poza tym engine Q nie jest zîy .. gdyby tylko dodali obsîugë 3Ds OpenGL
(czyli kod tolko na Virge'a) .

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Cze !

Tak sobie ostatnio myôlaîem nad PPC i mam fajny pomysî ale nie wiem czy
nie jest to "bajka na dobranoc" i czysta teoria .....

Wszyscy czekamy na emulator Maca PPC . Czy nie moûna by tego w drugâ stronë
zrobiê ?  Np. programy na maca przekompliowaê/dostosowaê/zaemulowaê (ale
jakoô w drugâ stronë :) )

Nie wiem czy to na jedno nie wyjdzie ...... hmmmm.....


Pozdroofka
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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Michal Kozusznik wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Jun 1998, AMIGO wrote:
>
> > On 14-Jun-98, Michal Kozusznik wrote:
> >
> > Nie wiem czy to byly bzdury, ale kolega powiedzial, ze wystarczy przelaczyc
> > timing na VBLANK i po sprawie (>28KHz).
>
> No nie bardzo o to chodzi... Po pierwsze VBLANK nie ma gdzie przestawic
> (za wyjatkiem PT i niektorych playerow). Po drugie, nawet jak przestawisz
> to niektore moduly wykorzystuja timing CIA i beda graly w innym tempie
> (zwykle w tak wolnym ze w ogole to nie muzyka).
> A po trzecie VBLANK  (w terminologii soft) nie ma zadnego zwiazku z f
> odchylania poziomego! A z tym jest zwiazana DMA (niestety - bo w PALu moze
> odtwarzac sampla z max frate ok 28kHz, na szczescie - bo w innych trybach
> moze wyciagac 56kHz... a to wiecej niz DAT)
>

Czy pamietacie AudioMastera?
Dawno temu sie nim bawilem (takze w czasach, kiedy mialem A500)
i zastanawiam sie teraz jak ten problem wygladal wtedy.
Samplowalem z czestotliwoscia ~50 kHz i odtwarzalem z ta sama!
A przynajmniej tak mi sie wydawalo. Byc moze te faktyczne 50kHz
mozna bylo uzyskac tylko w trybie PlayHiFi (przy tym sposobie
otwieral sie pusty obraz na monitorze), jednak przy zwyklym
odgrywaniu sampla jego wysokos (ton) nie spadla tak jak to ma
miejsce wtedy, gdy probke dzwiekowa probkowana 20 kHz
 odtwarza sie z probkowaniem rownym 10 kHz.
Ktos moglby sie konstruktywnie wypowiedziec.



                                Adam S.

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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Michal Kozusznik wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Jun 1998, AMIGO wrote:
>
> > On 14-Jun-98, Michal Kozusznik wrote:
> >
> > Nie wiem czy to byly bzdury, ale kolega powiedzial, ze wystarczy przelaczyc
> > timing na VBLANK i po sprawie (>28KHz).
>
> No nie bardzo o to chodzi... Po pierwsze VBLANK nie ma gdzie przestawic
> (za wyjatkiem PT i niektorych playerow). Po drugie, nawet jak przestawisz
> to niektore moduly wykorzystuja timing CIA i beda graly w innym tempie
> (zwykle w tak wolnym ze w ogole to nie muzyka).
> A po trzecie VBLANK  (w terminologii soft) nie ma zadnego zwiazku z f
> odchylania poziomego! A z tym jest zwiazana DMA (niestety - bo w PALu moze
> odtwarzac sampla z max frate ok 28kHz, na szczescie - bo w innych trybach
> moze wyciagac 56kHz... a to wiecej niz DAT)
>

Czy pamietacie AudioMastera?
Dawno temu sie nim bawilem (takze w czasach, kiedy mialem A500)
i zastanawiam sie teraz jak ten problem wygladal wtedy.
Samplowalem z czestotliwoscia ~50 kHz i odtwarzalem z ta sama!
A przynajmniej tak mi sie wydawalo. Byc moze te faktyczne 50kHz
mozna bylo uzyskac tylko w trybie PlayHiFi (przy tym sposobie
otwieral sie pusty obraz na monitorze), jednak przy zwyklym
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miejsce wtedy, gdy probke dzwiekowa probkowana 20 kHz
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Ktos moglby sie konstruktywnie wypowiedziec.



                                Adam S.

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>Dnia 15-Cze-98 Maciej Gajewski napisa3:

>> Ostatnio kumpel sobie kupil PPC 604 233 MHz, wiec mialem okazje porownac
>> predkosc tego procka z moim 603@200. Wniosek - 604 jest DUUUZO, nawet
>kilka
>> razy szybszy. Np. jeden blok RC5 liczy mi sie ponad 25 min., a na jego
>> sprzecie niecale 7! ADoom chodzi tak, ze nie mozna nadazyc, u mnie chodzi

>no to nie kumam jak ty to robisz, bo u mnie 603e@160 jeden blok 2^28 liczy
>sie 8 minut i 2 sekundy, 557000 keys/sec :-). Mowie o kliencie pod linuxa,
>pod AmigaOSem minimalnie wolniej.

Dlaczego 2^28? U mnie liczy blok 2^30 w 25 minut, 664tys. keys/s. na 603@200.
Od czego zalezy rozmiar bloku? W przeliczeniu na 2^28 to jeden blok powinien
mi sie liczyf kolo 6,25 minut.

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Hello narg, on 17-Cze-98    20:02:57 you wrote:
>Radek Olejniczak wrote:
>> >ktory w MA6 szeroko rozwodzi sie nad kartami PPC. Przeciez to pachnie
>> >partyzantka...
>> Moze mial napisac 'nie kupujcie PPC, a tak w ogole to za te pieniadze mozna
>> miec peceta, wiec tylko glupiec wybiera drozsze'?
>A dlaczego nie malby tak napisac? Sklamalby?

Politykiem raczej nie bëdziesz, ani redaktorem, czy managerem :)

>Fajnie by bylo gdyby MP zachowal obiektywizm w ocenie karty.

A co niby jest nieprawdâ z tego, co pisaî?

>A mnie juz meczy ciagle konwertowanie plikow tak by byly uzywalne na
>pecetach, meczy mnie konwersja dokumentow tak by byly odczytywalne przez
>Worda, meczy mnie brak specjalistycznego softu (zajmuje sie
>programowaniem DSP i automatyka przemyslowa)

To sobie kup peceta, po co sië mëczysz? Samoumartwianie czy co?

>a przede wszystkim mecza mnie ceny sprzetu do Amigi...

Patrz wyûej.

>> przynajmniej wiem ze jak mi wylacza prod w czasie pracy komputera
>> to on napewno uruchomi mi sie nastepnym razem co w przypadku win95 i NT
>> jest rzecza zadka.
>nooo, przesadzasz... a jak Amiga akurat bedzie cos zapisywala na dysk to
>co? tez ci sie tak luzacko uruchomi?

Wyciâîeô sobie validatora z ROMu? U mnie jakoô dziaîa.

>Spoko, atmosfera jest wazna, nie samym chlebem czlowiek zyje ale na
>chleb miec musi
>Jak bedziesz musial byc "kompatybilny" ze swiatem to specjalnie na
>atmosfere nie bedziesz sie ogladal...

Mieê albo byê - wybierz co chcesz. Wszystkiego mieê nie moûna.

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Hello Marcin Nowak, on 17-Cze-98    22:38:09 you wrote:

>>> A jakie poruszenie wywolal pierwszy engin!

>> Widzialem lepsze w demkach :)

>A graîeô w jakieô demko?

Wolë oglâdaê demka niû graê.

>Niech sië scenowcy wezmâ do roboty.

Grë zrobiê trudniej.

>Majâ moûliwoôci, talent...

...ale nie majâ motywacji.

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Hello Radoslaw Olejniczak, on 15-Cze-98    23:02:27 you wrote:
>> Tylko ze Kwak to zadna nowosc. Rok produkcji 96 o ile dobrze pamietam.

>Na ami to nowosc. Jak zrobia quake na PSX to tez to bedzie nowosc i bedzie
>kosztowac odpowiednio duzo w porownaniu do wersji na pc.

Marketing i prawda to dwie przeciwstawne sobie rzeczy.

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Hello narg, on 17-Cze-98    20:28:48 you wrote:
>Grzegorz Juraszek wrote:
>>
>> >W tej chwili w cenie karty PPC dla Ami moge sobie zafundowac pececta
>> A ja dwa (za Cyberstorma).
>Nie uwazasz ze przeplaciles?

Nie. Kupiîem bardzo tanio, z czego jestem niezmiernie zadowolony.

>Mowilem o entuzjazmie a nie optymizmie :)

No wîaônie. Jeôli MA zacznie marudziê, jak Ty to robisz, to poîowa
uûytkowników od razu sië przerzuci.

>Wkurza mie czekanie i zachwycanie sie polsrodkami. Kupie sobie karte z
>lepszym procem? Waskim gardlem okazuje sie IDE, jak nie IDE to grafika,
>jak nie grafika to dzwiek, jak nie dzwiek to przestarzaly OS z tysiacem
>poprawk i latek

To wybierz super-hiper-maltimidialne rozwiâzania za***istego Wintela, nikt
siîâ nie trzyma.

>I to ma byc powod do dumy?

Jak wolisz, dla mnie jest.

>Chyba dlatego ze wszystko to zlozone do kupy dziala!

To akurat pecetom nie za bardzo wychodzi.

>> >nie ma softu optymalizowanego na PPC,
>> I nie bedzie. Pod PPC sie pisze/kompiluje soft od nowa.
>Nie zmienia to faktu ze go nie ma

W takim razie mam halucynacje, bo wydaje mi sië, ûe mam kilkadziesiât
programów pod PPC na dysku.

>> Skoro nie wiesz, to moze nie pisz takich rzeczy. Programy pod 68k tez
>> uruchamiaja jakies smieszne procedury systemowe, doslownie kupa smiechu.
>zdejmij klapki z oczu a zobaczyja jak wielka kupa smiechu

Ciekawe ile Bill G. daîby za przepis, jak tâ 'kupë ômiechu' zastosowaê w
swoim potworku. Pewnie wiele.

>> >(coz, w koncu PPC to koproc).
>> A ile programow bylo na 68k w 1987 roku?
>BYL SYSTEM OPERACYJNY! a 1998 nawet tego na PPC nie masz!

A po diabîa mi system na PPC? Mój system dziaîa bardzo zadowalajâco. PPC
jest od skomplikowanych obliczeï, po co go jeszcze systemem obciâûaê.

>mysle, ze ci co mieli odejsc od Ami juz to zrobili

Chyba spóúniîeô sië na pociâg. To pewnie przez strajk.

EOT, za duûo sië produkujë.

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On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Piotr Walaszek wrote:
> Grrrrrr, :)
>
> Kto by wziâî ze sobâ tygrysa na AS ???

Mnie nie musi nikt zabierac...

>      _.- _..-_/ / ((.'   [e-mail]  [e-mail]

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On 18-Jun-98 09:54:01 Paweî Pawîaszek wrote:

>Czy ktoô z was (posiadaczy A4000) podîâczyî CD-Rom, by moûna byîo sîuchaê
>pîyt przez wyjôcie audio Amigi?

Ja podîâczyîem, ale na krótko. Dúwiëk z CD-ROMu jest bardzo cichy -- za
kaûdym razem kiedy odzywaîa sië Amiga (robiâc np. DisplayBeep) wylatywaîy
mi szyby w oknach.


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Cze !


Czy któryô z uûytkowników AmiTCP 4.3 Pro mógîby mi podesîaê swój plik
configuracyjny uûywajâcy jako providera TPSA ????

Próbowaîem skonfigurowaê ale i tak sië rozîâcza piszâc : Check your IP
adress itp. a mam ustawiony dynamic .....

Pozdroofka
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> Ostatnio kumpel sobie kupil PPC 604 233 MHz, wiec mialem okazje porownac
> predkosc tego procka z moim 603@200. Wniosek - 604 jest DUUUZO, nawet kilka
> razy szybszy. Np. jeden blok RC5 liczy mi sie ponad 25 min., a na jego

Tyle czasu liczy sie u mnie jeden blok na 060 (troszke dluzej - 28 min.)
Na 603@200 nie powinno to trwac dluzej niz 8 minut.
BTW: Ja tez uwazam, ze BlizzardPPC jest troche skopany.

Spowarzaniem
metalurg

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Witam

>>> U mnie na 603e+ 240MHz Quake PPC na minimalnym mozliwym screenie w trybie
>>> pal robi w timedemo demo2 troszke ponad 17klatek na sec.

>> U mnie 603e+ 200Mhz na aga pal max. 15 klatek, a na CV 3D/64 13 klatek.
>> Dlaczego na cgx jest wolniej to nie wiem.

> Tak wiec podobno wersja na AGA bedzie tak samo szybka jak na kartach
> graficznych.

Na AGA jest SZYBSZA !

> Po drugie sa dwie wersje quakePPC na ami i moze niektorzy maja
> inna wolniejsza niz ja wersje.

Sprawdzaîem obie i obie sâ szybsze na AGA.


Pozdrawiam, Piotrek.

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Marcin Juszkiewicz (Szczepan/BlaBla) wrote:
> ->Aha i drugi problemik. Mam zainstalowane AHI 4.16 i waszystko gra dopoki
> ->nie wejde w preferencjach w Advanced Options - zwis Amisi murowany... Co wy
> ->na to?
> Jak mniemam prefsy oparte sa na BGUI.library (SUXX !!!) - wyrzuc ten
> program a zainstaluj sobie prefsy pod MUI. innym wyjsciem jest 41.8
> bgui.library ale tej biblioteki nie nalezy wg. mnie nawet iec na hdd -
> stale ver beta niezgodna z poprzednimi podwersjami.

napisalem pare programikow ktore korzystaja z BGUI i wedlug mnie jest to
calkiem niezla biblioteka (nie oferuje takich bajerow co MUI ale i nie
zajmuje tyle miejsca w pamieci i na dysku).
Klopoty z niezgodnoscia biora sie z faktu ze ostatnia OFICJALNA wersja
(uploadowana na Aminet) byla chyba v39 (lub v40). Nowsze wersje
pojawialy sie od czasu do czasu TYLKO na bgui mailing list i byly
przeznacone do testowania (a nie do rozpowszechniania)

narg.

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>> U mnie na 603e+ 240MHz Quake PPC na minimalnym mozliwym screenie w trybie
>pal robi w timedemo demo2 troszke ponad 17klatek na sec. Z tego co wiem na
>603e 160MHz wynik w ten to troszke ponad 12klatek na sec.

U mnie Quake (clickBOOMowy) wyciaga (w timedemo demo2) na takim screenie
(ekran cgx 320x240x8, rozmiar 30%) przy max detalach z dzwiekiem, ale bez
obslugi sieci, cdda i z opcja "r_waterwarp 0" - 13 klatek. Ale pogrywam,
gdy wszystko na maxa i screen 70% - wtedy mam 9.4 fps (przy 100% - 8.5
fps). Czekam na zoptymalizowana na 060 wersje.
Nara

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MaXyM wrote:

>Wiec po pierwsze: aby oszczedzac to trzeba miec z czego oszczedzac. Jesli
>komus nie starcza do konca miesiaca albo jest w stanie odlozyc miesiecznie
>10 zl to nie ma sensu odkladac.

Rzeczywistosc boli, wiem co to brak kasy :(

>Po drugie: Ostatnimi czasy nalezy oszczedzac na gry (kazda w granicach
>200zl), programy (a tu roznie: share sa w miare tanie ale za to komercja
>jest upokazajaco droga) i PPC. Nie wydaje CI sie ze na takie "poswiecanie
>sie" stac naprawde niewielu?

Amiga zawsze byla droga. I niewielu nas pozostalo.

>wiekszosc z nas to ludzie ktorzy o pracy nie maja pojecia, uczniowie,
>studenci a jak ktos juz pracuje to rzadko ma prace ktora mu pozwoli
>"odkladac" tyle kasy na AMI.

Tylko jak to jest, ze po zmianie Amisi na pc zaraz dziala sponsoring
rodzicow, mozna co 2 miechy wymieniac procka dokupic RAMy etc.?

>Moze niech najpierw sie poswieci taki Gateway2000 i dolozy sie do
>produkcji kart PPC lub do jakiegos nowego rozsadnego projektu...
>Dlaczego Amiga ma zawsze opierac sie na badz co badz biednych
>wlascicielach... bo wlascicielach prywatnych... ?

Tu masz racje i to cholerna. Coz Temida ma nas w d...e, zreszta najlepiej
pasuje tu stwierdzenie "ludzie ludziom zgotowali ten los".

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Yoyo wrote:

>>Ale to wlasnie Quake byl wysoko na liscie nabardziej pozadanych konwersji
>>na Amisie, prawda?
>
>Znacznie wyzej bylo Monkey Island 3 i co z tego? Nie zrobili konwersji.
>A w to bym sobie pogral.

A moze LucasArts ma nas gdzies jeszcze bardziej i nie kwapilo sie dac zrodelek?

>>A jakie poruszenie wywolal pierwszy engin!
>
>Widzialem lepsze w demkach :)

Byc moze dla Ciebie odladanie demek jest wystarczajaca rozrywka... (nie
powiem lubie demka, ale ostatnio jakby brak im oryginalnosci, a
"nastrojowe" monotonne techno sprawia, ze... eh, znowu sie komus naraze).

>>Ha, popyt tworzy rynek.
>
>Chyba ze nie ma popytu.

Tia, jak ty nie kupisz to juz nikt tego nie zrobi ;)

>Ja w ogole nie przepadam za bandycko-napadalskimi lupaninami 3D, ale to moj
>gust. Nie podoba mi sie tylko, ze byle jaki chlam rzucony na pusty amigowy
>rynek robi sie zaraz 'wielkim przebojem'.

Szanuje Twoj gust. O tym wlasnie co jest 'wielkim przebojem' decyduje rynek
i ani Ty ani ja nic na to nie poradzimy (szczerze mowiac zamiast Quake'a
wolalbym DarkForces - StarWars Rules!).

>>>A dla przecietnego studenta to wiecej, niz ma do dyspozycji na miesiac.
>
>>A nieprzecietny przepija tyle tygodniowo...
>
>Ilu znasz takich? Ja zadnego.

Klub AA ;)))


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Czeôê!

Czy ktoô z was (posiadaczy A4000) podîâczyî CD-Rom, by moûna byîo sîuchaê pîyt
przez wyjôcie audio Amigi?

Narazicho.
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Czesc!

Sprzedam rozszerzenie 8+1 MB pamieci (made by Eureka) za smieszne
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Z zegarkiem i podstawka pod koproc.

Z komsomolskim pozdrowieniem...
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Dnia 17-Cze-98, Marcin Nowak napisal(a):
>>> A jakie poruszenie wywolal pierwszy engin!
>>
>> Widzialem lepsze w demkach :)
>
> A graîeô w jakieô demko? Niech sië scenowcy wezmâ do roboty. Majâ
moûliwoôci,
> talent...

A po co?

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Marek Telecki wrote:
>
> Witam!

hej

> Mam zainstalowany Asim CDFS 3.8. Co robic? Czy jest jakis lepszy pakiet
> obslugujacy CD (i inne urzadzenia SCSI).

czy lepszy to nie wiem ale napewno dzialajacy bez problemu
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Radek Olejniczak wrote:
> Mam nadzieje ze do soboty im sie odwidzi, bo jak nie to Amiga Show 98 nie wypali a to moze byc olbrzymia kleska!!! Jak pkp nie bedzie pracowac w weekend to sie niezle wqurwie!!!!

kijowej baletnicy i rombek spodnicy przeszkadza
jak ktos chce pojechac to wsiadzie w autobus i tez dojedzie
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Radoslaw Olejniczak wrote:
>
> > A mnie juz meczy ciagle konwertowanie plikow tak by byly uzywalne na
> > pecetach, meczy mnie konwersja dokumentow tak by byly odczytywalne przez
> > Worda,
> a po jakiego uzywasz worda? ja pracuje na WW7.0 i zadawala on moje i tak wyrafinowane
> potrzeby!
Moje tez ale juz nie wykladowcow na uczelni, nie wspominajac o qumplach
od ktorych czasami sciagam sprawozdania

>  meczy mnie brak specjalistycznego softu (zajmuje sie
> > programowaniem DSP
> He, jakos Tap&Walt radza sobie z DSP bez problemu na ami +Delfina wystarczy troche literatury ,
Na DSP Motoroli cos sie jeszcze znajdzie - a znajdz mi asembler i
debuger na TMS320c50 czy TMS320c240 (a raczej w ogole na DSP Texas
Instruments)

> >> zalet ktore widze w amidze jest stokroc wiecej przynajmniej z punktu normalnego
> >> uzytkownika jakim jestem ja.
> > Powiedz mi co takiego robisz na Amidze?
> gosciu jak ty nic niewidzisz w ami to czemu jeszcze ja masz? kup se peceta i nie
> zasmiecaj listy, a przy okazji bedziesz mial juz zajebisty i kompatybilny z innymi
> komputer i twojego super Worda...
A jak kupie peceta to wtedy mi powiesz? czy wtedy tez jeszcze nie
bedziesz wiedzial?

narg.

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> Flaszery sa w scsi/SCSI_44.xx.lha (choc ostatnie archiwum datowane >
> jest na luty ;-(

Tak, ale to dziala tylko z CyberStormPPC, nie z BlizzardPPC!!!

    - Adam

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Grrrrrr, :)

Kto by wziâî ze sobâ tygrysa na AS ???

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Hi.
 Jest do sprzedania karta turbo M-TEC 030 28 MHz,
 razem z 8 MB Fast`u korpcem 28MHz i dobrym slowem
 od poprzedniego wlasciciela :)
 Karta ma okolo 2 lata, jest w dobrej kondycji fizycznej.


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Ta cena to mala pomylka. Prawdziwa cenoa to okolo 230 zl.
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On 17-Jun-98, narg wrote:
>Adam Zaparcinski wrote:
>>
>> > >programy trzeba sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy
>> > >(runelf czy jakos tak)
>[ciach]
>> zaimplementuja wczytywanie i relokacje kodu dla PPC. Imho to normalne ze
tak
>> sie uruchamia te programy i zamiast biadolic mozna sobie porobic default
>tool
>> w ikonkach a zdaje sie ze opus ma to jeszcze lepiej rozwiazane.
>nie powiedzialem ze nic nie da sie zrobic tylko, ze progsy sa
>uruchamiane przez loader i sie nie pomylilem
>poza tym chodzilo mi po prostu o lesza integracje z OS'em (czyli o
>kolejna latke na przestarzalym systemie operacyjnym)

Ja bym nie przesadzal z nazywaniem systemu amigowego "przestarzalym"...
Nie bede pokazywal tu palcem, ktory system jest kompatybilny z 16bitowym
procesorem i programami...

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Czeôê !

Naprawdë nie ma nikogo na liôcie, kto by wiedziaî, gdzie moûna w Warszawie
przenocowaê w sposób rozsâdny (rozsâdne warunki za rozsâdnâ cenë).
Chcieliômy z kolegâ wybraê sië na AShow na dwa dni.

Oby nam sië dzieci rakiet nie czepiaîy!!!
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[moj tekst o wolnym PPC 603]

>Sprawdzales ppc.library...

W Blizzardach PPC jest tylko jedna biblioteka PPC i to na stale.

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Amiga RULEZ!!!

Czy na Ami jest jakiô szybszy soft do rozkodowywania haseî unixowych
niû John the Ripper 1.4 - na 68060 50MHz maxymalny wynik to 1450 c/s,
a mój kumpel na pENTIUM 133MHz ma 13000 c/s - jak widaê róúnica
wydajnoôci tego samego programu jest troszku duûa:( Tak to jest
jak coô sië przenosi z pc na Ami bez optymalizacji kodu.

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Amiga RULEZ!!!

Czy na Ami jest jakiô szybszy soft do rozkodowywania haseî unixowych
niû John the Ripper 1.4 - na 68060 50MHz maxymalny wynik to 1450 c/s,
a mój kumpel na pENTIUM 133MHz ma 13000 c/s - jak widaê róúnica
wydajnoôci tego samego programu jest troszku duûa:( Tak to jest
jak coô sië przenosi z pc na Ami bez optymalizacji kodu.

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Hello Marek Telecki, on 17-Cze-98    14:31:10 you wrote:

>>IDSoft kiedys oglosil
>>publicznie, ze ma amigowcow gdzies. Moze co niektorzy zapomnieli o tym,
>>ale nie ja.

>Ale to wlasnie Quake byl wysoko na liscie nabardziej pozadanych konwersji
>na Amisie, prawda?

Znacznie wyzej bylo Monkey Island 3 i co z tego? Nie zrobili konwersji.
A w to bym sobie pogral.

>A jakie poruszenie wywolal pierwszy engin!

Widzialem lepsze w demkach :)

>Ha, popyt tworzy rynek.

Chyba ze nie ma popytu.

>A osobiscie to ID ja tez mam w d...e, ale wybacz teraz wole
>sobie pograc w Quake, ktory w okienku na WB smiga szybciej niz Gloom w
>takim samym okienku.

Ja w ogole nie przepadam za bandycko-napadalskimi lupaninami 3D, ale to moj
gust. Nie podoba mi sie tylko, ze byle jaki chlam rzucony na pusty amigowy
rynek robi sie zaraz 'wielkim przebojem'.

>>>To jest jakies 50$ [...]
>>>A u nas to jest rownowartosc tygodnia pracy...
>>
>>A dla przecietnego studenta to wiecej, niz ma do dyspozycji na miesiac.

>A nieprzecietny przepija tyle tygodniowo...

Ilu znasz takich? Ja zadnego.

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Hello AMIGO, on 17-Cze-98    13:19:35 you wrote:

>Procka nie podrkece (moja karta prosesorowa na to nie pozwala), a Quake'a i
>tak bym kupil nawet jak by mi mial chodzic 5FPS. Po to tylko zeby wesprzec
>Amige.

Za te 200zl moglbys zarejestrowac 2-3 porzadne programy i o wiele bardziej
wesprzec Amige.

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Arkadiusz Zâbek wrote:
> Wie ktoœ do czego sîuû¹ poniûsze komendty AT:
[ciach]
prosze o namiary na opis wszystkich komend AT
(najlepiej na sieci)

narg.

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Adam Zaparcinski wrote:
>
> > >programy trzeba sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy
> > >(runelf czy jakos tak)
[ciach]
> zaimplementuja wczytywanie i relokacje kodu dla PPC. Imho to normalne ze tak
> sie uruchamia te programy i zamiast biadolic mozna sobie porobic default tool
> w ikonkach a zdaje sie ze opus ma to jeszcze lepiej rozwiazane.
nie powiedzialem ze nic nie da sie zrobic tylko, ze progsy sa
uruchamiane przez loader i sie nie pomylilem
poza tym chodzilo mi po prostu o lesza integracje z OS'em (czyli o
kolejna latke na przestarzalym systemie operacyjnym)

EOT tematu

narg.

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Blazej Lyjak wrote:
> podaê przyczynë zwiech przy próbie dekodowania obrazków w owym progsie?
> Objawia sië to zawsze tak samo, czyli:
>
> Task: "V's Image Decoder Process"
> Err: 8000000B (DEAD)
> By : System
> Cause: Line 1111 Emulator error
              ^^^^
cos zwiazanego z FPU ktorego pewnie nie masz - sprawdz wersje programu

narg.

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Blazej Lyjak wrote:
> towarzysze!,
> po co toczyc dyskusje na tematy nie zwi¹zane z nasz¹ parti¹?;
> nikt tu nikogo siî¹ nie trzyma, jak towarzysz narg chce sië wypisac
> i przejœc do obozu przeciwników to nic nie stoi na przeszkodzie...
coz, tu nie chodzi o zwykle przejscie od obozu do obozu tylko o
zauwazanie pewnych problemow
teraz powiedzenie 'amiga rulez, pc suxx' juz nie wystarcza
EOT

narg.

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Grzegorz Juraszek wrote:
>
> >W tej chwili w cenie karty PPC dla Ami moge sobie zafundowac pececta
> A ja dwa (za Cyberstorma).
Nie uwazasz ze przeplaciles?

> >Tak przy okazji nie specjalnie podzielam (i rozumiem) entuzjazm MP,
> Ja tez, w ogole optymizm jest niedobry.
Mowilem o entuzjazmie a nie optymizmie :)
Optymizm w przypadku Ami stracilem juz dawno - co i rusz slyszalem o
nowym modelu (Walker, A5000,A/Box,Pre/Box,TransAm,...) o tym, ze prace
nad nowym system ida do przodu (niestety nikt go nie widzial od 93
roku), ze Amiga Inc. (czy jak sie teraz nazywa firma) ma sie dobrze (bo
wszyscy ja kupuja a potem sprzedaja - Escom, G2000, Viscorp) i mase
innych rzecy.
Wkurza mie czekanie i zachwycanie sie polsrodkami. Kupie sobie karte z
lepszym procem? Waskim gardlem okazuje sie IDE, jak nie IDE to grafika,
jak nie grafika to dzwiek, jak nie dzwiek to przestarzaly OS z tysiacem
poprawk i latek
I to ma byc powod do dumy? Chyba dlatego ze wszystko to zlozone do kupy
dziala!

> Moze mial napisac 'nie kupujcie PPC, a tak w ogole to za te pieniadze mozna
> miec peceta,
Przeciez by nie sklamal!
Chyba MP moglby byc bardziej obiektywny

> >nie ma softu optymalizowanego na PPC,
> I nie bedzie. Pod PPC sie pisze/kompiluje soft od nowa.
Nie zmienia to faktu ze go nie ma

> >programy trzeba sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy
> >(runelf czy jakos tak)
> Skoro nie wiesz, to moze nie pisz takich rzeczy. Programy pod 68k tez
> uruchamiaja jakies smieszne procedury systemowe, doslownie kupa smiechu.
zdejmij klapki z oczu a zobaczyja jak wielka kupa smiechu

> >(coz, w koncu PPC to koproc).
> A ile programow bylo na 68k w 1987 roku?
BYL SYSTEM OPERACYJNY! a 1998 nawet tego na PPC nie masz!

> Mniejsza o to, czy dobrze to czy
> zle, ale tak jest. Gdyby zaczeli pisac, ze jest zle, to nagle zrobilo by
> sie dosc pusto wsrod nas.
mysle, ze ci co mieli odejsc od Ami juz to zrobili
poza tym pojawienie sie kart PPC wcale nie przyciagnie rzesz ludzi,
pojawienie sie nowego komputerka by to zrobilo...

narg.

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Dnia 17-Cze-98, Arkadiusz Winiarek napisaî:
> Hej!

ho!

> Nagadaliôcie sië od cholery na temat tego jaki, to nowy MA jest do dupy.

rzeczowa krytyka jest potrzebna :)))

> Moûe byôcie w koïcu przestali. Chwila refleksji i juû powinniôcie
stwierdziê, ûe dobrze, ûe jest taki M. Pampuch, który chce coô robiê. Nie od
razu Kraków zbudowali ...

przecieû nie mamy(przynajmniej ja) nic do mps'a i tak to nie on rysowaî...

> A tak wogóle, to jak sië wam nie podoba, to po jaka cholerë kupujecie?

nawet jakby MA byî w Guidzie i kosztowaî 3 zl to bym kupowaî...

> Po to, by teraz sraê MP koîo d..y? Co w ten sposób chcecie zyskaê?

nikt tu nie sra(przynajmniej ja - nic nie czujë), nic nie zyskujë

> Zastanówcie sië !

juz

> Z pozdrowieniami!

mi tu

Dosyc , dosyc ja EOT.

ps. za bardzo wziâîeô sobie do serca wszystkie texty, one dotyczâ
    autorów lay'a..................KONIEC!
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Stefan Koralewski wrote:
> Dnia 16-Cze-98, Grzegorz Juraszek napisaî:
> >Œmieszne... A raczej tragiczne. Tak sobie pomyœlaîem, czytaj¹c post[...]
> >Zamiast tego dalej krzyczmy "Amiga rulez, pC suxx",

coz, rownie dobrze moga sobie pokrzyczec "Trabant rulez, Renault
suxx"...
nie nalezy im tego odbierac, tylko to maja;
zreszta okrzyk ten pochodzi z czasow IBM XT i Amigi 500, a czasy sie
zmieniaja...
W koncu czym moze sie pochwalic PRZECIETNY uzytkownik Amigi?

> Y0y0 ma racje. Co nas wlasciwie obchodza pecety, poza paroma drobiagami typu
> CD, HD , CDR , modemy , skanery + kilka innych drobiazgow
troche tego duzo, nie uwazasz?

> Wlasciwie
> mozna by sie spierac czy w/w rzeczy sa do pecetow (jak twierdza sprzedawcy)
> czy po prostu do komputerow wyposazonych w odpowiednie we/wy i sterowniki.
tak ale z pewnoscia ten sprzet nie bylby taki tani i latwodostepny...
(popatrz na sprzet czysto Amigowy - od towerek to slotow ZORRO)

narg.

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Witam!

Niedawno pisaîem o kartach sieciowych pcmcia.
Jest juû do qpienia karta KINGMAX w cenie 240zî brutto.
Karta posiada zîâcza na BNC i TP, trójnik i ofcoz 12 miesiëcznâ gwarancjë.
Iloôê - dowolna : )
Chëtnych zapraszam na priva.

Pozdrawiam
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Hello Radek Olejniczak, on 17-Cze-98    16:03:45 you wrote:
>Mysle ze cena quake na Ami nie rozni sie zbytnio od cen gier na pece i w
>cenie tej gry nie widze nic nadzwyczajnego. Srednia cena nowosci w niemczech
>na pece to do 100DM tak wiec podobna cena amigowego quake jest cena jak
>najbardziej normalna. A to ze nie kazdego stac na oryginalne gry to inna
>sprawa.

Tylko ze Kwak to zadna nowosc. Rok produkcji 96 o ile dobrze pamietam.

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> >programy trzeba sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy
> >(runelf czy jakos tak)
>
> Skoro nie wiesz, to moze nie pisz takich rzeczy. Programy pod 68k tez
> uruchamiaja jakies smieszne procedury systemowe, doslownie kupa smiechu.

Pewnie osoby mniej zorientowane w naturze programow moga sie zastanawiac po co
te 'smieszne' komendy uruchamiajace programy. Otoz sam program to kawalek kodu
ktory trzeba wczytac do pamieci, relokowac (troche roboty), ztworzyc z tego
nowy proces i odpalic. To, ze z poziomu uzytkownika po prostu klikamy na
ikonke czy cos tam zawdzieczamy systemowi operacyjnemu, ktory wszystkie te
rzeczy robi. Nieststy cale wczytywanie kodu dla PPC wyglada inaczej niz dla
680xx i trudno oczekiwac od autorow OSa ze beda jasnowidzami i ze
zaimplementuja wczytywanie i relokacje kodu dla PPC. Imho to normalne ze tak
sie uruchamia te programy i zamiast biadolic mozna sobie porobic default tool
w ikonkach a zdaje sie ze opus ma to jeszcze lepiej rozwiazane.

Pozdrawiam

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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paweî?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pawîaszek?= <[e-mail]>
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On 12-Jun-98, Miloslaw Smyk wrote:
> Dnia 12-Cze-98, Siera rzekî co nastëpuje:
>
>> Ostatnio dziwnie czesto wiesza mi sie doslownie wszystko (virusow niby nie
> ma)
>> dzieje sie tak gîównie przy ostwieraniu róûnych okien (requesterow tez)
>> Co na ten temat sadzicie.
>
> Nie masz przypadkiem aktywnej zmiennej USESEMAPHORES?

Ja mam tâ zmiennâ wîâczonâ i nie zauwaûyîem takich problemów. Prawdë mówiâc
nie wiem dokîadnie do czego sîuûy, lecz po przeczytaniu, ûe jest *system*
*friendly* - wîâczyîem jâ. *Semafory* bardziej kojarzâ mi sië z przejazdami
kolejowymi.

Narazicho.
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> A mnie juz meczy ciagle konwertowanie plikow tak by byly uzywalne na
> pecetach, meczy mnie konwersja dokumentow tak by byly odczytywalne przez
> Worda,

a po jakiego uzywasz worda? ja pracuje na WW7.0 i zadawala on moje i tak wyrafinowane potrzeby!

 meczy mnie brak specjalistycznego softu (zajmuje sie
> programowaniem DSP

He, jakos Tap&Walt radza sobie z DSP bez problemu na ami +Delfina wystarczy troche literatury ,



>> zalet ktore widze w amidze jest stokroc wiecej przynajmniej z punktu normalnego uzytkownika
>> jakim jestem ja.
> Powiedz mi co takiego robisz na Amidze?

gosciu jak ty nic niewidzisz w ami to czemu jeszcze ja masz? kup se peceta i nie zasmiecaj listy, a przy okazji bedziesz mial juz zajebisty i kompatybilny z innymi komputer i twojego super Worda...


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> Tylko ze Kwak to zadna nowosc. Rok produkcji 96 o ile dobrze pamietam.

Na ami to nowosc. Jak zrobia quake na PSX to tez to bedzie nowosc i bedzie kosztowac odpowiednio duzo w porownaniu do wersji na pc.

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On 18-Jun-98, narg wrote:
[wielkie ciach]
>mysle, ze ci co mieli odejsc od Ami juz to zrobili
>poza tym pojawienie sie kart PPC wcale nie przyciagnie rzesz ludzi,
>pojawienie sie nowego komputerka by to zrobilo...

>narg.

Zastanwiam sie dlaczego kolega jeszcze nie zgrzybial.
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towarzysze!,
po co toczyc dyskusje na tematy nie zwiâzane z naszâ partiâ?;
nikt tu nikogo siîâ nie trzyma, jak towarzysz narg chce sië wypisac
i przejôc do obozu przeciwników to nic nie stoi na przeszkodzie...
proponujë zajâc sië problemami wewnâtrz partyjnymi...
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Dnia 16-Cze-98, Tomasz Glowacki napisaî:
> Cze !

yo!

> Czy komuô udaîo sië skonfigurowaê Yama 2.0 do pracy z PGP 5.1 ?????

Gdzieô wyczytaîem(usîyszaîem), ûe w prev nie ma jeszcze peînej obsîugi
pgp i xpk(chyba).

> BTW , ma ktoô pliki pgpv i pgps z peînego archiwum amigowego ???

tez chce

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On 16-Jun-98, AMIGO ([e-mail]) wrote:

> Bardzo dobry list. Tak rzeczywiscie wyglda prawda ! Poczytaj to Neuro i o to
> chodzi !

>> bambus w odpowiednim momencie kupil choc jedna oryginalna gre lub

> Jako jeden z organizatorow AmigaShow dam przyklad i kupie ClickBoom'owskiego
> Quake'a. Nareszcie zaczely wychodzic porzadne gry z ClickBoom'a, wiec
> wesprzyjcie te firme razem ze mna ! Bo jak znowu bedzie klapa to bedziemy
> zdani tylko na _*sharewarowe*_ gierki pod WB.

Ja tylko proponuje skorzystac takze z oferty AIRI i rejestrowac programy
shareware itd itp.  W AIRI oplaty sa znaczaco nizsze niz normalnie - a jesli
padnie i ta galaz oprogramowania, dzieki ktorej jest wiele rzeczywiscie
dobrego oprogramowania, to bedzie juz tragicznie...

Zapraszam wiec na www.airi.org.pl - a takze na nasze stoisko na targach
AmigaShow i goraco zapraszam do rejestracji!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Zdrowko
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      Czesc !
   Zostauy mi dwa dyski SCSI
   Seagate Barracuda ST32550N o poj. 2.1 GB ze zlaczem 50 pin !
   bede je miau ze soba na Amiga Show !!!
   cena promocyjna 550 zl !!!

   -bede miau tez tasmy WideSCSI ( 5 x zlacze Wide ) po 50 zl
   -przejsciowki do urzadzen SCSI 50 pin na tasme Wide SCSI
   - tusze do HP600 oryginalne HP !!!

         czarne -60 zl
         kolory -80 zl


   Szukajcie i pytajcie o BezYmiennego !!!

            Pozdrawiam Liste !!!

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Cze!
Ugh... jeszcze raz ten top... czy jakaô mâdra gîowa na liôcie moûe
podaê przyczynë zwiech przy próbie dekodowania obrazków w owym progsie?
Objawia sië to zawsze tak samo, czyli:

Task: "V's Image Decoder Process"
Err: 8000000B (DEAD)
By : System
Cause: Line 1111 Emulator error

Niektóre strony da sië obejrzec w caîoôci, a inne wogóle(np.
"Voyager/About...")
Help!

heyka
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Dnia 16-Cze-98, Tomasz Glowacki napisaî:
> Cze !
>
> On 16-Cze-98, you wrote:
>
>> Cze!
>> ...no tak niedîugo wybuchnie 8-O
>> chodzi oczywiôcie o rok 2000 - tuû, tuû.
> Szefie .... tylko nie znowu to samo .... Parë tygodni temu o to toczyîa
> sië dyskusja i jak wiadomo : Amy ma support do 21xx roku (od 1978 poczâ-
                                                 ^^^^
hahahah, jeûeli to prawda to juû zrywam boki z tych panikujâcych
frajerów, ROTFL:DDDDDDDDDDD

> wszy)
>
> EOT !

oki, oki, jestem na liôcie dopiero od miecha i niewiedzieîem. EOT

ps. mógîbyô podesîaê pare mail'i na priv w tym temacie?:)) - tyczy sië
    Tomka (ofkoz!)

ps2. "Za wsze Coca-Cola"   no comments.....

heya!
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Witam!

Niedawno pisaîem o kartach sieciowych pcmcia.
Jest juû do qpienia karta KINGMAX w cenie 240zî brutto.
Karta posiada zîâcza na BNC i TP, trójnik i ofcoz 12 miesiëcznâ gwarancjë.
Iloôê - dowolna : )
Chëtnych zapraszam na priva.

Pozdrawiam
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On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, AMIGO wrote:

> Jezeli ktos uwaza, ze ta suma jest strasznie wysoka to niech zacznie
> oszczedzac od zaraz i kupi po zebraniu kasy !

Wiec po pierwsze: aby oszczedzac to trzeba miec z czego oszczedzac. Jesli
komus nie starcza do konca miesiaca albo jest w stanie odlozyc miesiecznie
10 zl to nie ma sensu odkladac.

Po drugie: Ostatnimi czasy nalezy oszczedzac na gry (kazda w granicach
200zl), programy (a tu roznie: share sa w miare tanie ale za to komercja
jest upokazajaco droga) i PPC. Nie wydaje CI sie ze na takie "poswiecanie
sie" stac naprawde niewielu?
Latwo mowic o dobrych uczynkach jak sie ma jakies zaplecze.
Jasne - pewnie powiesz ze aby cos miec nalezy pracowac. Zgoda. Ale
wiekszosc z nas to ludzie ktorzy o pracy nie maja pojecia, uczniowie,
studenci a jak ktos juz pracuje to rzadko ma prace ktora mu pozwoli
"odkladac" tyle kasy na AMI.
Moze niech najpierw sie poswieci taki Gateway2000 i dolozy sie do
produkcji kart PPC lub do jakiegos nowego rozsadnego projektu...
Dlaczego Amiga ma zawsze opierac sie na badz co badz biednych
wlascicielach... bo wlascicielach prywatnych... ?

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On 16-Jun-98, Grzegorz Juraszek wrote:
> Tylko nie na kaûdym CDku Asim dziaîa.

To fakt.

> ps. Dziëkujë wszystkim, którzy przysîali mi info o samplujâcych CDkach na
> priv i nie tylko. Moûe na AS coô upolujë.

Jesli ktos chce wiedziec czy jego cedek obsluguje CDDA to niech sie uda na
strone

http://mp3.mtl.pl:81/glowny.html

Niestety wiele cedekow dziala ale tylko z pecetowymi programami i to tez nie
zawsze :-(

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On 16-Jun-98, Tomasz Glowacki wrote:
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> Moûna . Jest wersja klienta na w95 w wersji "hidden" . Jak chcesz to
> ci podeôlë (na priv ofcoz) .

A mi kiedy podeslesz ??? Czekam i czekam...

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Cze !

On 16-Cze-98, you wrote:


> ps. Za duûo sië produkujesz na liôcie o rzeczach maîo waûnych, szczególnie
> o pecetach. Przystopuj.

A to ja teû ci zwrócë uwagë .... Za duûo krytykujesz ludzi na liôcie .
Przystopuj. Ty masz jakâô manië pecetoizolacjonizmu ! Co poradzisz ûe
tego syfu jest na rynku tyle ûë niedîugo bëdâ z tym lodówki ???

Ciëûko jest nie pominâê peceta w niektórych tematach , wiëc daj se spokój.

Co innego gdyby kolo nabluzgaî na wszystkich , oômieszyî poîowë , wyzwaî
od ch*** itp. ..... NIE TRAKTUJ TEGO JAK PRZESTËPSTWO !


Regards
Tomek

p.s : tu quiz dla ciebie : jakim synonimem zastâpisz sîowo pecet (uj,
dostanie mi sië za to sîowo .... )  ? Jak w liôcie pojawi sië chociaû
RAZ czîowiek w 50% od ciebie dostaje ryfë ..... zastâp to sîowo innym ûeby
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Cze !

On 16-Cze-98, you wrote:



> A co jest bardziej profesjonalne na PC? Pisanie w Wordzie?

Ja tak krótko .... prophesionahlism produktóf M$ mnie zadziwia ... w
Excelu 97 jest ukryta gierka (syf niemoûebny , jakaô symulacja voxelowa) .

Ms worf mnie tyle razy dobiî ûe ja dziëkujë ......

Polecam , dla poprawy nastroju : obejrzenie filmiku pt. "Bad day" (po
sieci chodzi jako mpeg ) :))))))

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Cze !

On 15-Cze-98, you wrote:

> Pytanie:
> Czy mozna uruchomic klienta na Wleczeniu95, tak aby jego uzytkownik nie
> zauwazyl, ze ma go zainstalowanego?
>
> Odpowiedzi z opisem prosze na priv.
>
> Spowarzaniem
> metalurg
>
> PieS. Ojciec mojej kumpeli ma P200MMX, ktore wykorzystuje najczesciej do
> ogladania stron z golymi babami. Pomyslalem, ze moge wykorzystac ten jego
> "sprzecik". Niestety nie da sie z nim normalnie porozmawiac.
>
>

Moûna . Jest wersja klienta na w95 w wersji "hidden" . Jak chcesz to
ci podeôlë (na priv ofcoz) .



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> >1. Jak ztobiæ wciêcie w tek¶cie (akapit) ?
> >2. Jak zrobiæ odstêp od literek o wiêcej ni¿ jedn± spacjê ???
> spacja to   [juz ktos pisal...] co do wciecia - z tego co wiem html na
> razie nie obejmuje takich rzeczy jak akapit...

hmm ... wciecia ? mozna to zrobic na kilka sposobow ...
- uzycie styli : np. <P STYLE="margin-left: 2cm"> </P>
- lub wykorzystania normalnych instrukcji ... typu :
    <ul></ul> ... <dd><dt>... <li>... , ktore daja dobre efekty ... szczegolnie jak sie wie jak je zastosowac ... ostatecznie mozna postawic pustego gif'a (w kolorze tla - nie przezroczysty !)


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Dnia 16-Cze-98, Grzegorz Juraszek napisaî:

>¦mieszne... A raczej tragiczne. Tak sobie pomy¶la³em, czytaj±c post
>Corwina, ¿e kilka osób nie zrozumie jego pogl±dów, z którymi z reszt± w
>wiêkszo¶ci siê zgadzam. Zamiast tego dalej krzyczmy "Amiga rulez, pC suxx",
>a¿ zostan± tylko puste s³owa :( A mo¿e jeszcze nie za pó¼no - przestañmy
>ogl±daæ siê na pecety i k³óciæ o byle co i zabierzmy za SWOJE podwórko.

Y0y0 ma racje. Co nas wlasciwie obchodza pecety, poza paroma drobiagami typu
CD, HD , CDR , modemy , skanery + kilka innych drobiazgow. Wlasciwie
mozna by sie spierac czy w/w rzeczy sa do pecetow (jak twierdza sprzedawcy)
czy po prostu do komputerow wyposazonych w odpowiednie we/wy i sterowniki.
Dlatego proponuje rzeczywiscie zajac sie tym, co zwiazane jest z Ami. A jest w
czym wybierac...


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Pozdrawiam Wszystkich,

    Uprzejmie  informuje  wszystkich zainteresowanych tematem Sceny, iz adres
strony domowej grupy Nah-kolor zmienil sie nie do poznania ;) Oto jego obecny
wyglad:

   http://www.nah.dom.pl

   Serdecznie zapraszam!

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Dnia 17-Cze-98, Aleksander Salwa napisaî:

> Co w koncu z tymi rzekomymi flasherami ROMow do kart PPC ? Istnieja, czy
> sa tylko zbiorowa halucynacja spragnionych uzytkownikow ?
> Ja mam na karcie biblioteke 45.16 i sciaganie archiwum dla userow z
> fazy (45.20) nic nie daje - stara ppc.library oczywiscie dalej siedzi.

Flaszery sa w scsi/SCSI_44.xx.lha (choc ostatnie archiwum datowane
jest na luty ;-(

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On 17-Jun-98, Grzegorz Juraszek wrote:
[]
>> programy trzeba sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy
>> (runelf czy jakos tak)
>
> Skoro nie wiesz, to moze nie pisz takich rzeczy. Programy pod 68k tez
> uruchamiaja jakies smieszne procedury systemowe, doslownie kupa smiechu.

Od najnowszej ppc.library LoadSeg() bedzie wbudowany i programy .elf beda
rozpoznawane.

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On 17-Jun-98, Grzegorz Juraszek wrote:
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>> programy trzeba sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy
>> (runelf czy jakos tak)
>
> Skoro nie wiesz, to moze nie pisz takich rzeczy. Programy pod 68k tez
> uruchamiaja jakies smieszne procedury systemowe, doslownie kupa smiechu.

Od najnowszej ppc.library LoadSeg() bedzie wbudowany i programy .elf beda
rozpoznawane.

Ciao
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On Wed, 17 Jun 1998, Marek Telecki wrote:

> Ps. Podkrec troche procka, bo sie zniechecisz ijuz nic w clickBOOMie nie
> qpisz...

NO wlasnie... Chociaz zastanawiam sie czemu ostatnio gry na AMI sa tak
mocozerne mimo ze nie musza...
Mam na mysli MYSTa ktory all ruchome elementy w grze ma zrobione jako
QuickTime a port do niego (QT) jest tak porazajaco wolny ze sie plakac
chce. Na tej samej Ami na emulatorze Maca animki chodza wielokrotnie
plynniej.
Druga gra to GeneticSpecies - moze nie zwalajaca z nog ale bardzo dobra
animacja w intrze (format CDXL)... I co ztego ze ladna i plynna jak
szarpie dzwiek podzcas odtwarzania? Robilem juz wszystko lacznie z
przegraniem 190MB animki na HDD. nic nie pomaga. A mam 030/50. Ja rozumiem
ze to nie szczyt predkosci ale wiem takze ze to wystarczy do wyswietlenia
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On 17-Jun-98, Piotr Czerniawski wrote:

> Witam
>
>> Kurczë to szkoda...(bo mielibyômy SheepShaver'a a tam VirtualPC a tam
>> Pentium 100 i to na Amidze PPC 603e 160MHz...)
>
> Niestety nie jest tak fajnie. Ostatnio w "Publisk i Macworld" byîy testy
> emulatorów SoftWindows 95 5.0 oraz VirtualPC 2.0. Oba byîy ponad 3 razy
> wolniejsze od pENTIUM 90. Niestety nie podano na jakim Mac'u byîo to
> testowane, ale myôlë, ûe musiaî byê jakiô dobry.

Widziaîem VirtualPC na wîasne oczy na PPC 603e 160MHz i odpalono na nim
m.in. Destruction Derby - dziaîaîo ôwietnie - chciaîbym, ûeby na
mojej Amidze gry dziaîaîy z takâ prëdkoôciâ...

Byîo to rok temu w ôp. programie The Site na NBC.

> Pozdrawiam, Piotrek.

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Witam!

        Mam problemik, otoz zmienilem naped CD z SONY 8x atapi na
Matsushita 8x SCSI i wszycho gra, ale... Plyty CDDA nie sa rozpoznawane
(CD0:NDOS). Poczesci problem ten rozwiazalem instalujac OptyCDPlayera -
moge teraz sluchac muzyki i samplowac (chociaz jakosc nie jest hifi i
tylkow wersji Opty 1.8 - wersja 2.1 wiesza sie przy zapisywaniu
samplowanego kawalka).
Ale to tylko polsrodek, bo nie moge np. odpalic gry z CD z muzyka z tej gry
(np. zmiana utwory po przejsciu levela czy w innym przypadku).
Mam zainstalowany Asim CDFS 3.8. Co robic? Czy jest jakis lepszy pakiet
obslugujacy CD (i inne urzadzenia SCSI).

Aha i drugi problemik. Mam zainstalowane AHI 4.16 i waszystko gra dopoki
nie wejde w preferencjach w Advanced Options - zwis Amisi murowany... Co wy
na to?

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Hello Michal Kozusznik, on 16-Cze-98    21:51:58 you wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, AMIGO wrote:

>> Quake w MarkTom'ie tylko 199 zl !!!
>A nie sadzicie ze to troche drogo?

Bardzo drogo, zwlaszcza za taka marna IMHO gre. IDSoft kiedys oglosil
publicznie, ze ma amigowcow gdzies. Moze co niektorzy zapomnieli o tym,
ale nie ja.

>To jest jakies 50$, tyle ze na zachodzie tyle mozna zarobic za umycie paru
>samochodow na skrzyzowaniu...
>A u nas to jest rownowartosc tygodnia pracy...

A dla przecietnego studenta to wiecej, niz ma do dyspozycji na miesiac.

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Hello narg, on 16-Cze-98    23:31:05 you wrote:

>W tej chwili w cenie karty PPC dla Ami moge sobie zafundowac pececta

A ja dwa (za Cyberstorma).

>Tak przy okazji nie specjalnie podzielam (i rozumiem) entuzjazm MP,

Ja tez, w ogole optymizm jest niedobry.

>ktory w MA6 szeroko rozwodzi sie nad kartami PPC. Przeciez to pachnie
>partyzantka...

Moze mial napisac 'nie kupujcie PPC, a tak w ogole to za te pieniadze mozna
miec peceta, wiec tylko glupiec wybiera drozsze'?

>nie ma softu optymalizowanego na PPC,

I nie bedzie. Pod PPC sie pisze/kompiluje soft od nowa.

>programy trzeba sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy
>(runelf czy jakos tak)

Skoro nie wiesz, to moze nie pisz takich rzeczy. Programy pod 68k tez
uruchamiaja jakies smieszne procedury systemowe, doslownie kupa smiechu.

>na dodatek wcale nie jest to takie szybkie na ile wskazuje taktowanie
>zegara procesora

Jest.

>(coz, w koncu PPC to koproc).

A ile programow bylo na 68k w 1987 roku?

>Wiem, wiem - dobrze sie stalo ze pojawily sie takie karty ale z
>wybuchami radosci i nadmiernym optymizmem bym raczej uwazal.

Kto tu mowi o optymizmie? My tutaj sobie mozemy ponarzekac, nikomu to nie
zaszkodzi. Ale postaw sie w sytuacji naczelnego pisma, ktore kilkanascie
tysiecy amigowcow traktuje jak wyrocznie. Mniejsza o to, czy dobrze to czy
zle, ale tak jest. Gdyby zaczeli pisac, ze jest zle, to nagle zrobilo by
sie dosc pusto wsrod nas.

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Yoyo wrote:
>
>>> Quake w MarkTom'ie tylko 199 zl !!!
>>A nie sadzicie ze to troche drogo?
>
>Bardzo drogo, zwlaszcza za taka marna IMHO gre.

Jak kazdy qpi po dwa egzemplarze to clickBOOM obnizy cene o 30% :)))

>IDSoft kiedys oglosil
>publicznie, ze ma amigowcow gdzies. Moze co niektorzy zapomnieli o tym,
>ale nie ja.

Ale to wlasnie Quake byl wysoko na liscie nabardziej pozadanych konwersji
na Amisie, prawda? A jakie poruszenie wywolal pierwszy engin! Ha, popyt
tworzy rynek. A osobiscie to ID ja tez mam w d...e, ale wybacz teraz wole
sobie pograc w Quake, ktory w okienku na WB smiga szybciej niz Gloom w
takim samym okienku.

>>To jest jakies 50$ [...]
>>A u nas to jest rownowartosc tygodnia pracy...
>
>A dla przecietnego studenta to wiecej, niz ma do dyspozycji na miesiac.

A nieprzecietny przepija tyle tygodniowo...

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> AMIGO wrote:

>> A co organizujesz? Kratki na flaszki od browca? ;)
>
>Nie dowcipkuj. Jestem co-organizatorem.

Nie ma to jak autoreklama (ja wole co-cacole;)

>Procka nie podrkece (moja karta prosesorowa na to nie pozwala), a Quake'a i
>tak bym kupil nawet jak by mi mial chodzic 5FPS. Po to tylko zeby wesprzec
>Amige.

A za to Ci chwala!

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On 17-Jun-98, Marek Telecki wrote:

>> AMIGO wrote:
>>
>> Jako jeden z organizatorow AmigaShow dam przyklad i kupie
ClickBoom'owskiego
>> Quake'a. Nareszcie zaczely wychodzic porzadne gry z ClickBoom'a, wiec
>
> A co organizujesz? Kratki na flaszki od browca? ;)

Nie dowcipkuj. Jestem co-organizatorem.

[]
> Ps. Podkrec troche procka, bo sie zniechecisz ijuz nic w clickBOOMie nie
> qpisz...

Procka nie podrkece (moja karta prosesorowa na to nie pozwala), a Quake'a i
tak bym kupil nawet jak by mi mial chodzic 5FPS. Po to tylko zeby wesprzec
Amige.

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On 17-Jun-98, Marek Telecki wrote:

>> AMIGO wrote:
>>
>> Jako jeden z organizatorow AmigaShow dam przyklad i kupie
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>> Quake'a. Nareszcie zaczely wychodzic porzadne gry z ClickBoom'a, wiec
>
> A co organizujesz? Kratki na flaszki od browca? ;)

Nie dowcipkuj. Jestem co-organizatorem.

[]
> Ps. Podkrec troche procka, bo sie zniechecisz ijuz nic w clickBOOMie nie
> qpisz...

Procka nie podrkece (moja karta prosesorowa na to nie pozwala), a Quake'a i
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Amige.

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On 16-Jun-98, Michal Kozusznik wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, AMIGO wrote:
>
>> Quake w MarkTom'ie tylko 199 zl !!!
> A nie sadzicie ze to troche drogo?
> To jest jakies 50$, tyle ze na zachodzie tyle mozna zarobic za umycie paru
> samochodow na skrzyzowaniu...
> A u nas to jest rownowartosc tygodnia pracy...

No to trzeba sie czasami poswiecac ! A co ? Bedziemy teraz narzekac, ze
Quake jest za drogi i wolimy kupic wersje 'gieldowa' na kompakcie za 40zl,
tak ? Niestety pewnie wiekszosc tak pomysli i to jest najwiekszy blad jaki
moze spotkac nasz komputer.

Jezeli ktos uwaza, ze ta suma jest strasznie wysoka to niech zacznie
oszczedzac od zaraz i kupi po zebraniu kasy !

Niech przynajmniej te gre...

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On 16-Jun-98, Piotr Czerniawski wrote:

> Witam
>
>> U mnie na 603e+ 240MHz Quake PPC na minimalnym mozliwym screenie w trybie
>> pal robi w timedemo demo2 troszke ponad 17klatek na sec.
>
> U mnie 603e+ 200Mhz na aga pal max. 15 klatek, a na CV 3D/64 13 klatek.
> Dlaczego na cgx jest wolniej to nie wiem.

Jak masz ZorroII to wszystko jest oczywiste !

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Hej!

No to mamy niezîy burdel ... PKP strajkuje, a ja chcë jechaê na AS.
Jedzie ktoô autem z okolic Legnicy lub Wrocîawia, kto miaîby wolne miejsce?

Z pozdrowieniami!

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Hej!

No to mamy niezîy burdel ... PKP strajkuje, a ja chcë jechaê na AS.
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      Juuuuuupiiii !!!

Tak tylko chcialem sie pochwalic :)
(patrz sygnaturka)

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>AMIGO wrote:
>
>Jako jeden z organizatorow AmigaShow dam przyklad i kupie ClickBoom'owskiego
>Quake'a. Nareszcie zaczely wychodzic porzadne gry z ClickBoom'a, wiec

A co organizujesz? Kratki na flaszki od browca? ;)

>wesprzyjcie te firme razem ze mna ! Bo jak znowu bedzie klapa to bedziemy
>zdani tylko na sharewarowe gierki pod WB.

Jastesmy z Toba Wodzu!

>Quake w MarkTom'ie tylko 199 zl !!!

Ja czekam na Genetic Species (Quake juz mam)

Ps. Podkrec troche procka, bo sie zniechecisz ijuz nic w clickBOOMie nie
qpisz...

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>On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, MaXyM wrote:
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>> Quake w MarkTom'ie tylko 199 zl !!!
>A nie sadzicie ze to troche drogo?
>To jest jakies 50$, tyle ze na zachodzie tyle mozna zarobic za umycie paru
>samochodow na skrzyzowaniu...
>A u nas to jest rownowartosc tygodnia pracy...

Ja zamowilem w clickBoomie w lutym (preorder - 10 dolcow Kanadyjskich
mniej) i po prawie czterech miechach czekania dostalem, a kosztowalo mnie
to c.a. 205 zlociszy (nie mam karty kredytowej i prawie 40 zl wyniosly
koszty operacji bankowych). Tak wiec nie ma co narzekac i tak masz taniej
niz ja i od reki...

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Hej!

Nagadaliôcie sië od cholery na temat tego jaki, to nowy MA jest do dupy.
Moûe byôcie w koïcu przestali. Chwila refleksji i juû powinniôcie stwierdziê, ûe dobrze, ûe jest taki M. Pampuch, który chce coô robiê. Nie od razu Kraków zbudowali ...
A tak wogóle, to jak sië wam nie podoba, to po jaka cholerë kupujecie?
Po to, by teraz sraê MP koîo d..y? Co w ten sposób chcecie zyskaê?
Zastanówcie sië !

Z pozdrowieniami!

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Plizzz. Czy ktos z Wroclawia jedzie na AS samochodem? Doloze sie do benzyny.
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Plizzz. Czy ktos z Wroclawia jedzie na AS samochodem? Doloze sie do benzyny.
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At 00:31 98-06-17 +0200, you wrote:

>Ludzie - troche poczucia realizmu! Mam Amige 10 lat i NIE MAM klapek na
>oczach wiec widze co sie dzieje dookola.

A jadnak jak wynika z dalszej czesci listumasz, tylko z innej strony

>Cos sie zmieni gdy bede mowil ze wszystko jest OK (a przeciez nie
>jest!)? Amigi beda tansze? W tej chwili w cenie karty PPC dla Ami moge

To jest nowosc, czy nie pamietasz ile kosztowalo takie PentiumII wraz z
plyta, gdy bylo nowoscia??? - cena spada, bo
1) jest obecnie mniej klientow chetnych kupowac pentiumy
2) koszty projektu juz dawno sie zwrocily, wiec mozna sprzedawac doliczajac
jedynie do kosztow produkcji niewielki zysk (zreszta przy takich zmianach jakie
zachadza w procesorach intela, koszty projektu sa smiesznie niskie).

>sobie zafundowac pececta (i to wcale nie najwolniejszego) z Linuxem.
>Tak przy okazji nie specjalnie podzielam (i rozumiem) entuzjazm MP,
>ktory w MA6 szeroko rozwodzi sie nad kartami PPC. Przeciez to pachnie
>partyzantka... nie ma softu optymalizowanego na PPC, programy trzeba

Nie od razu Rzym zbudowano - to musi potrwac, na rynku Amigowym nie ma firm,
ktore dysponowalyby na tyle duzymi pieniedzmi, by pozwolic sobie na
zatrudnienie wystarczajacej liczby programistow piszacych programy pod PPC

>sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy (runelf czy jakos tak) a
>na dodatek wcale nie jest to takie szybkie na ile wskazuje taktowanie
>zegara procesora (coz, w koncu PPC to koproc).
>Wiem, wiem - dobrze sie stalo ze pojawily sie takie karty ale z
>wybuchami radosci i nadmiernym optymizmem bym raczej uwazal.

A jak dla mnie jest do smiechu, tym bardziej, ze Merced, jak oglosil Intel
po raz
pierwszy ( i mysle ze nie ostatni), ujrzy swiatlo dzienne o 6 miesiecy
pozniej niz
planowano (i co sie dziwic, jak ktos, kto do tej pory byl ze swoimi
technologiami
w epoce komputera kopalnego, chce nagle wkroczyc w XXI wiek z urzadzeniem,
ktore technologicznie dogoniloby przynajmniej swoich konkurentow...)

Kaczus of BlaBla

(a tak przy okazji, jak chcesz oszczedzac na sprzecie, to moze kup sobie
ZX-spektrum kosztuje grosze ....)

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 Co w koncu z tymi rzekomymi flasherami ROMow do kart PPC ? Istnieja, czy
sa tylko zbiorowa halucynacja spragnionych uzytkownikow ?
Ja mam na karcie biblioteke 45.16 i sciaganie archiwum dla userow z
fazy (45.20) nic nie daje - stara ppc.library oczywiscie dalej siedzi.

    Wiec co z tym ?

    Pozdrawiam wszystkich.

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At 16:45 98-06-15 +0200, you wrote:
>
>>> Zreszta ty chyba jestes niedoinformowany. Wiesz co sie stalo z ALFA,
>>> najszybszym procesorem produkowanym seryjnie. Niedawno INTEL wykupil
>>> DIGITALA tworce ALFY i teraz sam produkuje ten procesor.
>>> Nie ma juz ALFY jest INTEL ALFA. Nie wyssalem tych wiadomosci, wyczytalem
>z:
>>
>> Tak.. to niestety prawda... a co do reszty spekulacji..
>> Mysle ze caly interes jest tak pomyslany (juz na poczatku) aby z AMi
>> wyzsac tyle kasy ile sie da a potew po prostu ja wyrzucic jako
>> bezurzyteczna.
>
>[Radek Olejniczak]
>Nie jest wcale jeszcze tak tragicznie, Samsung rowniez ma licencje na
produkcje procesorow Alpha, mozna je nawet kupic w Polsce, cena plyty
glownej + Alpha 633MHz i wentylator tylko 5800zl netto!!! Sprzedaje to
firma Eltron z Wroclawia!!!

        No i co wam przeszkadza tak Intel? Akurat teraz z wykupiona Alfa bedzie
produkowac calkiem przyzwoite procesory. Warto zwrocic uwage na to, ze mimo
karygodnego bledu w Pentium, za ktory notabene nic nie zaplacil, troche
dobrych rzeczy wyprodukowal. Wezmy na przyklad taki Pentium Pro - 14
poziomow potokowoski, AFAIK to jest to rekord swiata.
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On 16-Cze-98, narg wrote:
>
> Ludzie - troche poczucia realizmu! Mam Amige 10 lat i NIE MAM klapek na
> oczach wiec widze co sie dzieje dookola.
> Cos sie zmieni gdy bede mowil ze wszystko jest OK (a przeciez nie
> jest!)? Amigi beda tansze? W tej chwili w cenie karty PPC dla Ami moge
> sobie zafundowac pececta (i to wcale nie najwolniejszego) z Linuxem.
> Tak przy okazji nie specjalnie podzielam (i rozumiem) entuzjazm MP,
> ktory w MA6 szeroko rozwodzi sie nad kartami PPC. Przeciez to pachnie
> partyzantka... nie ma softu optymalizowanego na PPC, programy trzeba
> sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy (runelf czy jakos tak) a
> na dodatek wcale nie jest to takie szybkie na ile wskazuje taktowanie
> zegara procesora (coz, w koncu PPC to koproc).
> Wiem, wiem - dobrze sie stalo ze pojawily sie takie karty ale z
> wybuchami radosci i nadmiernym optymizmem bym raczej uwazal.

To co, ma zlikwidowaê MMM i kupiê sobie peceta pod linuxa ?????
Mam nadzieje ûe MPS nie dojdzie do takiego wniosku co ty. :(

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Hello Dariusz Woloch, on 16-Cze-98    15:06:05 you wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Jun 1998, Radoslaw Olejniczak wrote:
>> Pod koniectygodnia bedziemy mieli na aminecie SongPlayer'a 1.3 ktory bedzie
>> potrafil kozystac z mpega.library w wersji dla PPC!!! Wreszcie pozadny
>> player mp3 dla PPC.
>Juz jest:)

Jest,  dziaîa  i  to  jak!  Ôciâgnâîem, wîâczyîem i dosîownie poraziîa mnie
jakoôê  odtwarzania.   Nie  wiem,  jak  to  bëdzie  sîyszalne na Pauli, ale
zapewne  bëdzie.  Róûnica jest naprawdë duûa.  SongPlayer jest zdecydowanie
najlepszym  PPCplayerem na Amigë.  Gdyby jeszcze mógî wyglâdaê jak AmigaAMP
(który  niestety  haczy)...   Ale  nie  jest  úle,  w  dodatku  jest  mocno
rozbudowany  -  krótko  mówiâc  autor  spisaî sië na medal.  Teraz moûna mu
podziëkowaê :) Pamiëtajcie:  Amiga Show, stoisko AIRI...

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Hello Tomasz Glowacki, on 16-Cze-98    19:54:01 you wrote:

>> ps. Za duûo sië produkujesz na liôcie o rzeczach maîo waûnych, szczególnie
>> o pecetach. Przystopuj.

>A to ja teû ci zwrócë uwagë .... Za duûo krytykujesz ludzi na liôcie .
>Przystopuj. Ty masz jakâô manië pecetoizolacjonizmu ! Co poradzisz ûe
>tego syfu jest na rynku tyle ûë niedîugo bëdâ z tym lodówki ???

Nic nie poradzë, ale skoro to jest AMIGOWA lista, to dlaczego mamy
dyskutowaê o pecetach? Tylko dlatego, ûe jest ich najwiëcej? To moûe
podyskutujemy o owadach, jest ich wiëcej niû ludzi... Skoro lista jest
amigowa, takie majâ byê tematy. Co do izolacjonizmu - masz racjë, tylko ûe
to nie mania, ale takie mam podejôcie do tej sprawy. Niestety mam teû taki
nawyk, ûe pouczam ludzi.

>Ciëûko jest nie pominâê peceta w niektórych tematach , wiëc daj se spokój.

Moûe lepiej sobie napisaê makro do CEDa, które co trzeciâ linijkë wstawia
PC SUXX a co piâtâ AMIGA RULEZ? Przecieû to dziecinne. Ci, co najgîoôniej
krzyczâ, najszybciej zmieniajâ platformë. Co ciekawsze, bardzo czësto poza
"PC SUXX" nie potrafiâ przedstawiê ûadnych sensownych powodów. Szalikowców
nam nie potrzeba.

>Co innego gdyby kolo nabluzgaî na wszystkich , oômieszyî poîowë , wyzwaî
>od ch*** itp. ..... NIE TRAKTUJ TEGO JAK PRZESTËPSTWO !

Nie tylko bluzganie jest zîe, ale jeszcze kilka innych rzeczy. Poza tym ja
mu grzecznie zwróciîem uwagë, a on sië zgodziî. Teraz Ty robisz za jego
adwokata.

>p.s : tu quiz dla ciebie : jakim synonimem zastâpisz sîowo pecet

Co to, êwiczenie z semantyki kognitywnej? Ile mam podaê: dziesiëê,
piëtnaôcie? Nie bój sië, na zasób sîownictwa jeszcze nie narzekam.

>dostanie mi sië za to sîowo .... )  ? Jak w liôcie pojawi sië chociaû
>RAZ czîowiek w 50% od ciebie dostaje ryfë ..... zastâp to sîowo innym ûeby
>ludzi na liôcie nie denerwowaê .

Ômieszne... A raczej tragiczne. Tak sobie pomyôlaîem, czytajâc post
Corwina, ûe kilka osób nie zrozumie jego poglâdów, z którymi z resztâ w
wiëkszoôci sië zgadzam. Zamiast tego dalej krzyczmy "Amiga rulez, pC suxx",
aû zostanâ tylko puste sîowa :( A moûe jeszcze nie za póúno - przestaïmy
oglâdaê sië na pecety i kîóciê o byle co i zabierzmy za SWOJE podwórko.

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Witam

> U mnie na 603e+ 240MHz Quake PPC na minimalnym mozliwym screenie w trybie
> pal robi w timedemo demo2 troszke ponad 17klatek na sec.

U mnie 603e+ 200Mhz na aga pal max. 15 klatek, a na CV 3D/64 13 klatek.
Dlaczego na cgx jest wolniej to nie wiem.

Pozdrawiam, Piotrek.

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Tomasz Glowacki wrote:
> > CO gorsza ma racje - projekt nie bedzie zrealizowany ale nie ze wzgledu
> > ze ktos wykupi Amiga Inc. ale dlatego ze PADNIE SMIERCIA NATURALNA tak
> > []
> Tiaaa ..... optymizm roolz .... najlepiej wyrzuê ami przez okno ...
> Po co na ni¹ patrzeê ???? :((((((
> Takie postawy mnie totalnie doîuj¹ ..........

Ludzie - troche poczucia realizmu! Mam Amige 10 lat i NIE MAM klapek na
oczach wiec widze co sie dzieje dookola.
Cos sie zmieni gdy bede mowil ze wszystko jest OK (a przeciez nie
jest!)? Amigi beda tansze? W tej chwili w cenie karty PPC dla Ami moge
sobie zafundowac pececta (i to wcale nie najwolniejszego) z Linuxem.
Tak przy okazji nie specjalnie podzielam (i rozumiem) entuzjazm MP,
ktory w MA6 szeroko rozwodzi sie nad kartami PPC. Przeciez to pachnie
partyzantka... nie ma softu optymalizowanego na PPC, programy trzeba
sobie uruchamiac przez jakies smieszne komendy (runelf czy jakos tak) a
na dodatek wcale nie jest to takie szybkie na ile wskazuje taktowanie
zegara procesora (coz, w koncu PPC to koproc).
Wiem, wiem - dobrze sie stalo ze pojawily sie takie karty ale z
wybuchami radosci i nadmiernym optymizmem bym raczej uwazal.

narg.

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Hi.
 Jest do sprzedania karta turbo M-TEC 030 28 MHz,
 razem z 8 MB Fast`u korpcem 28MHz i dobrym slowem
 od poprzedniego wlasciciela :)
 Karta ma okolo 2 lata, jest w dobrej kondycji fizycznej.

 Cena za komplet to okolo 290 zl.
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Dnia 16-Cze-98, Le WarFrog napisaî:

>> 2. Jak zrobiê odstëp od literek o wiëcej niû jednâ spacjë ???
> spacja to   [juz ktos pisal...] co do wciecia - z tego co wiem html na


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Witam

> Kurczë to szkoda...(bo mielibyômy SheepShaver'a a tam VirtualPC a tam
> Pentium 100 i to na Amidze PPC 603e 160MHz...)

Niestety nie jest tak fajnie. Ostatnio w "Publisk i Macworld" byîy testy
emulatorów SoftWindows 95 5.0 oraz VirtualPC 2.0. Oba byîy ponad 3 razy
wolniejsze od pENTIUM 90. Niestety nie podano na jakim Mac'u byîo to
testowane, ale myôlë, ûe musiaî byê jakiô dobry.

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Witam.

> Ostatnio kumpel sobie kupil PPC 604 233 MHz, wiec mialem okazje porownac
> predkosc tego procka z moim 603@200. Wniosek - 604 jest DUUUZO, nawet kilka
> razy szybszy. Np. jeden blok RC5 liczy mi sie ponad 25 min., a na jego
> sprzecie niecale 7!

Czy napewno uûywasz programu pod PPC ?  Mam kartë takâ jak ty i jeden blok
liczy mi sië ok. 7 min 40 s.

Pozdrawiam, Piotrek.

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Witam!

AIRI ma wielki problem. Cerber, który ma na AmigaShow udostëpniaê sprzët na
stoisku AIRI - zostaî w ostatniej chwili bez transportu!

Jeûeli ktokolwiek z Trójmiasta jedzie na AmigaShow samochodem i ma ciutkë
miejsca ûeby zabraê Cerbiego i jego Amigë z Gdyni - niech sië szybko
zgîosi!

Bez tego Stoisko AIRI na targach moûe byê bardzo, bardzo skromne i nie
speîniaê Waszych oczekiwaï...

Adres Cerbera to:   [e-mail]   - jest ustawiony w ReplyTo tego
maila...

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On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, AMIGO wrote:

> Quake w MarkTom'ie tylko 199 zl !!!
A nie sadzicie ze to troche drogo?
To jest jakies 50$, tyle ze na zachodzie tyle mozna zarobic za umycie paru
samochodow na skrzyzowaniu...
A u nas to jest rownowartosc tygodnia pracy...

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Dnia 16-Czer-98, Robert Redziak napisaî(a):

> Da sie (sa nawet sterowniki do tego ale nie pamietam gdzie - oprocz tego ze
na
> Aminecie ;). Jest tylko jedno ale, wolny to jest WB 8-bit, natomiast w HAM
jest
> hmmmm.... (IMHO) tylko dla czwiczacych cierpliwosc ;).

Przepraszam, ale HAM6 to taki wolny nie jest, a i specjalnych sterowników
teû do tego nie trzeba :) Wystarcz tylko taki programik programik (o którym
pisaîem wczeôniej), który w preferencjach ustawi tryb HAM i po sprawie.
Îatwe, proste i przyjemne.
Ale system i tak w trybie HAM nie bëdzie uûywaî tak duûej iloôêi kolorów,
tylko 16 (HAM6) lub 64(HAM8).

Pozdrawiam
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Hey !
Dnia 16-Cze-98, Blazej Lyjak napisaî:

> Howgh
> Jak nie trudno, zauwaûyê dyskusja na temat 14 pina roz.gorzaîa(napiîbym
> sië..;)
> Kilka osób, teoretyków, twierdzi, ûe 14 pin rula, natomiast praktycy,
> którym uszkodziîa sië Amiga z powodu owego pina, uwaûajâ, ûe 14 pin be.
> Ja(chyba nie tylko) zaliczam sië do tej drugiej grupy.
> [...]
> Oczywiôcie ja nikogo nie namawiam do przecinania przewodu przy 14 pinie;
> "decyzja naleûy do ciebie".
>
> Ewentualne fucki za tyle cytatów na priv. Nie bëdë odpowiadaî na zaczepki
> w temacie [cenzura] pina. Proponuje EOT 4ever.
>

Przed zakoïczeniem,ale to chyba moûe byê waûne. Miaîem drukarkë,która
*wymagaîa* napiëcia +5V na 14 pinie-Citizen ABC 24. Z odciëtym kabelkiem
drukowaîa w podwójnych odstëpach (i text, i grafikë )i ûadnymi ustawieniami
ani sterownikami nie udaîo mi sië jej zmusiê do prawidîowej pracy.
Podejrzewam, ûe po 14-tym pinie rozpoznawaîa Amisië.Teraz przy podîâczaniu
nowej drukarki po prostu sprawdzam,czy ów pin nie jest 'zmasowany' w
drukarce.To powinno daê pewnâ (?!) odpowiedú na pytanie "Odciâê albo nie
odciâê...."



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Hello Radek Olejniczak, on 16-Cze-98    13:38:52 you wrote:

>Aby to sprawdzic prosze odpalic quake w pal'u na AGA i ekaran zmniejszyc do
>minimum nastepnie w konsoli wpisac "timedemo demo2" po chwili bedziemy miec
>wynik.

Nie chcialo mi sie instalowac CGX na AGA. Na karcie i 233mhz robi 32.4fps.
Dowiedzialem sie natomiast, ze ta z Clickbooma na 060 i CGX osiaga...
16fps, a wiec lepiej niz AGA na 603 (!) i to nieoptymizowana pod 060.

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On 12-Cze-98, Arkadiusz Winiarek wrote:
> Witam!
>
> Moûe wedîug wielu z Was popeîniam w tej chwili ...
>
> ale, do rzeczy:
>
> Pewien czas "zbieram" wypowiedzi z obydwu list i doszedîem do wniosku, ûe
> nikt, ale to nikt nie potëpia piractwa na pc. Trochë tego nie rozumiem, bo
w
> sumie, to przecieû niczym ono sië nie róûni od piractwa na naszej
> platformie. Tu kradzieû i tu kradzieû.
> Niemniej jednak, jeûeli piractwa na pc nie potëpia nikt z Was, to zapytam
w
> tym momencie
> o piractwo macowe? Jeôli podejôcie Wasze jest tu podobne, to zaproponujë
to
> co poniûej:
> - niech kaûdy, kto coô ma na Maca full version, a czym moûe nieodpîatnie
> podzeliê sie z innymi sendnie ewentualny spis tego, co posiada.
> W ten sposób pomoûemy sobie jakoô ...
> ... nie piracâc tym samym softu z naszej platformy.

W kwestii piractwa, przykîad:
na zatîoczonym przystanku MPK 2 wyrostków rozegraîo trzeciego,
miaî îadne buty, spodnie i kurtaîe, potem go troche obili.
Przyglâdali sië temu wszyscy czekajâcy na autobus - NIKT nie zrobiî
nic, nawet nikt nie zadzwoniî po policje. Jeûeli innym nie przeszkadza
BANDYTYZM to drobne zîodziejstwo jest dla mnie (dla prokuratora teû)
drobiazgiem o znikomej szkodliwoôci spoîecznej.

Spotkaîem wprawdzie ambitnego który za piractwo jednego programu
banuje ludzi na ircu, ale to raczej odosobniony przypadek.
Jak zareaguje na piractwo na maca ??? diabli wiedzâ.

Piractwa nie popieram ale jeûeli ktoô na dyskach ma wszystkie programy
legalne to prosze bardzo niech mnie krytykuje, innym zalecam milczenie !

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Cze !

Czy komuô udaîo sië skonfigurowaê Yama 2.0 do pracy z PGP 5.1 ?????


BTW , ma ktoô pliki pgpv i pgps z peînego archiwum amigowego ???


Z góry wielkie THX.

Pozdroofka
Tomek


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Czeôê Blazej

Dnia 15-Czer-98, Blazej Lyjak napisaî(a):

> Czy ktoô z listowiczów moûe poleciê jakiô niezîy program
> umoûliwiajâcy otworzenie ekranu WB w HAMie6 albo 8?
> Jakieô uwagi co do dziaîania?

Na Aminecie jest taki program, który zastëpuje systemowy ScreenMode.
Ma te same funkcje co oryginaî plus dodatkowe, m.i. moûliwoôê
ustawienia screenu w HAMie 6 lub 8. Program jest napisany pod MUI.

> heyka

Pozdrawiam
Spidi
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Cze !

On 16-Cze-98, you wrote:

> Cze!
> ...no tak niedîugo wybuchnie 8-O
> chodzi oczywiôcie o rok 2000 - tuû, tuû.
>
> Jeden czîowiek przysyîa na liste mejle z datâ dd-mmm-*02*,
> a YAM traktuje to chyba jako 2002, bo umieszcza na górze(tak mam
ustawione)
> Czy jest to przypadek, czy zamysî autora(YAM'a), a moûe system ma coô do
> gadania w tej sprawie?
> BTW, czy ktoô w ôwiatku amigowym zajmuje sië tym problemem, a moûe
> to nie problem?
>
> heyka

Szefie .... tylko nie znowu to samo .... Parë tygodni temu o to toczyîa
sië dyskusja i jak wiadomo : Amy ma support do 21xx roku (od 1978 poczâ-
wszy)

EOT !

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Cze !

On 12-Cze-98, you wrote:

> Dnia 11-Cze-98, Tomasz Glowacki napisaî:

> Nie napisaîeô najwaûniejszego, tzn. czy drukarke przyniosîeô wîaônie
> ze sklepu(14 pin), czy takie anomalie wystâpiîy po instalacji
> jakiegoô proga, albo sprzëtu.
>
> hey!

Drukarka pracowaîa ze 3 latka , najpierw na c64 a potem na Amy z rok .
Wszystko bylo ok , ale mialem do napisania prace z Polskiego , wiëc
siadîem do klawiaturki i zaczâîem pisaê aû po prostu zawisiî sië komp.

Nic nie instalowaîem , tylko na Amitekôcie pisaîem pracë ..... aû tu
pyk i drukarka nie drukuje .

Od tamtej pory minëîo z rok albo i lepiej i caîy czas nie chce drukowaê .

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Info about BGUI from Manuel Lemos

Manuel Lemos wrote:
> >[...] BGUI is dead?
> No.  We are working on fixing the bugs that remain from the code that Ian
> Einman left.  There will be news some time soon at least for the developers
> willing to work on it.
>
> Regards,
> Manuel Lemos
>
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On 11-May-02, Tomasz Siewiera wrote:
[]

Bardzo dobry list. Tak rzeczywiscie wyglda prawda ! Poczytaj to Neuro i o to
chodzi !

> bambus w odpowiednim momencie kupil choc jedna oryginalna gre lub

Jako jeden z organizatorow AmigaShow dam przyklad i kupie ClickBoom'owskiego
Quake'a. Nareszcie zaczely wychodzic porzadne gry z ClickBoom'a, wiec
wesprzyjcie te firme razem ze mna ! Bo jak znowu bedzie klapa to bedziemy
zdani tylko na sharewarowe gierki pod WB.

Quake w MarkTom'ie tylko 199 zl !!!

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Cze !

On 14-Cze-98, you wrote:

>
> CO gorsza ma racje - projekt nie bedzie zrealizowany ale nie ze wzgledu
> ze ktos wykupi Amiga Inc. ale dlatego ze PADNIE SMIERCIA NATURALNA tak
> jak wszystko co do tej pory wymyslili mozgowcy z AI. Po prosu oglosza,
> ze nastepna wersja developerska bedzie oparta o procesor ZILOG Z80 albo
> cos w tym stylu!

Tiaaa ..... optymizm roolz .... najlepiej wyrzuê ami przez okno ...
Po co na niâ patrzeê ???? :((((((

Takie postawy mnie totalnie doîujâ ..........

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Cze !

On 14-Cze-98, you wrote:


>
> Wlasnie mi sie przypomnialo, ze z-ca rednacza ACS'ki ma podobny do mojego
> problem. Jemu obsunal sie i spadl na dywan dysk 2.5GB !! Mial na nim kupe
> danych i strasznie mu ich szkoda. Gdzie ewentualnie moznaby takiego 2.5GB
> oddac do naprawy ? Mojego to pewnie nikt nawet nie przyjmie, a dane moge
> sobie jakims kosztem sciagnac z internetu :))

Jest serwis który to niby naprawia ... ale sprowadza to sië do wymiany na
nowy :(

Mój Caviar 635MB pyknâî na glebë z wysokoôci 10 cm ...coô czytaî ale niesa-
mowicie "prykaî" i "trzaskaî" , odsyskaîem tylko z 1 MB danych :(

Serwis znajduje sië na Jana Pawîa w dîuuugim budynku na lewo od Kina
Feminy (numeru nie pamiëtam) . Jak by co to podam dokîadniejsze dane (
na priv)  .

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Witam.

Ostatnio kumpel sobie kupil PPC 604 233 MHz, wiec mialem okazje porownac
predkosc tego procka z moim 603@200. Wniosek - 604 jest DUUUZO, nawet kilka
razy szybszy. Np. jeden blok RC5 liczy mi sie ponad 25 min., a na jego
sprzecie niecale 7! ADoom chodzi tak, ze nie mozna nadazyc, u mnie chodzi
ledwie plynnie. Pytanie - jakim cudem przyrost predkosci w stosunku do 603
jest taki duzy, skoro w/g strony www Motoroli:

                603e    604     750
                @200    @200    @300
SPECint95       5,6     9,4     13,2
SPECfp95        4,9     8,7     8,5
MIPS            283     418     540
                        (@233)

Wniosek: 604 powinien byc o okolo 70% szybszy od 603e. Czemu tak nie jest?
Czyzby FAZA5 skopala sprawe?

BTW. Swoja droga ciekawe, dlaczego P5 nie stosuje procka 603e@300 MHz.
BTW2. Na pierwszy rzut oka, ten MPC750 to zadna rewelacja :(
BTW3. Jak na tle tych wskaznikow wygladaja pENTIUMY I i II?

Zainteresowanych odsylam:

http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/products/semiconductor/cpu/603.html
http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/products/semiconductor/cpu/604.html
http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/products/semiconductor/cpu/750.html

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Cze!

Czy ktoô z listowiczów moûe poleciê jakiô niezîy program
umoûliwiajâcy otworzenie ekranu WB w HAMie6 albo 8?
Jakieô uwagi co do dziaîania?

heyka
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Czesc.

Powaznie zastanawia mnie jedna rzecz: po co wylewamy te wiadra pomyj na
pecety? Chyba tylko po to zeby sie dowartosciowac bo innego sensownego
wytlumaczenia nie widze. Powiedzmy sobie szczerze: Amiga w dalszym ciagu nie
moze odbic sie od dna (a sadzac po wypowiedziach jej wlascicieli specjalnie im
na tym nie zalezy ; i na co bylo wizjonerstwo i geniusz Jaya Minera, skoro gdy
tylko Jego zabraklo, wszystko rozsypalo sie w puch?), Macintosh dogorywa jako
komputer dla profesjonalistow (tego to juz calkiem nie rozumiem... przeciez
MacOS jest bardzo kiepskim systemem, i poza ta jego pozorna przyjaznoscia nie
ma zadnych zalet), Atari zdechlo w meczarniach, i pies z kulawa noga nawet o
nim nie pamieta (zreszta WHO CARES), jedynym komputerem liczacym sie na rynku
pozostal- surprise- komputer o najgorszych mozliwosciach w momencie
powstania-pecet. Komputer o najgorszym mozliwym systemie operacyjnym (najpierw
DOS potem wszelkiego udzwigu Windy), a jednak posuwa sie nie hamowany przez
nikogo wciaz do przodu. Na nasze medzenie kloniarze nawet nie beda probowac
dyskusji bo i po co dyskutowac, a i specjalnie nie ma z kim. Poza tym cala
dyskusje o wyzszosci Swiat Wielkiej Nocy nad Swietami Bozego Narodzenia mozna
skwitowac tak: "...Amigowcy maja swietnego OS-a i niewykorzystane mozliwosci a
my pecetowcy mamy najlepsze gry i najwiecej profesjonalnego software'u..." I
TO BEDZIE PRAWDA. Bo my poza okrzykami AMIGA RULES-zreszta coraz bardziej
cienkimi i nerwowymi, bo jest nas coraz mniej nie mozemy zrobic nic. Tylkow
ewentualnych polemikach prosze nie rzucac we mnie tekstem "no jak to: przeciez
Amiga w telewizjach rzadzi i jeszcze dlugo bedzie rzadzic..." Tak bylo moze i
pare lat temu a nie w tej chwili a poza tym co to za rzadzenie w roli
przystawki do Video Toastera czy innych specjalizowanych kart? Niestety nasza
najwieksza bolaczka jest brak softu rozywkowego (czytaj: gier) i niech nikt mi
nie mowi ze do grania to jest PSX a Amiga do pracy. Niech kazdy sam zastanowi
sie coz takiego waznego robi na Amidze oprocz garstki bardziej lub mniej
profesjonalnego Videofilmowania czy innych podobnych rzeczy. Chcial niechcial
motorem postepu sa gry a tych na najbardziej brakuje, poza tym pecetowcy nie
maja juz kompleksu PSX-a... jezeli widzieliscie najnowsze giery chodzace pod
3DFX to wiecie o czym mowie. Wiec nie widze specjalnie sensu w dyskusjach czy
Amiga Rules bardziej niz PC bo to tylko bicie piany i naiwne
dowartosciowywanie sie. Gdyby kazdy zamiast -za przeproszeniem- pieprzenia w
bambus w odpowiednim momencie kupil choc jedna oryginalna gre lub program a
nie "marcowe rogaliki" to kto wie jak potoczylyby sie losy naszego wspanialego
komputera. A tak... co nam pozostalo: albo sie zagryzc nawzajem albo "praca u
podstaw" czyli proba naprawienia bledow zrobionych wczesniej albo przez
kosmiczna glupote albo nieswiadomosc.

PS. Nie jestem kryptokloniarzem co widac po sygnaturze, przesiadac sie tez nie
mam zamiaru.

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Hello Leszek Dobija, on 15-Cze-98    14:27:50 you wrote:

>> Myôlë, ûe maîo kogo obchodzâ takie traôci.

> Tak??? Moûe sië mylë ale byî to list doôê mocno zwiâzany z Amigâ &

To ja jutro opiszë, jakie zaj***ste naklejki mam na obudowie. Bëdzie
zwiâzane z Amigâ jak najbardziej.

>uwaûaîem, ûe zainteresuje tym listem kilka osób (i sië udaîo, bo kilka osób
>odpisaîo na mój list)!!!

Wyôlij na listë megabajt binariów to równieû dostaniesz parë odpowiedzi :)

>> Poza tym to korespondencja
>> prywatna i nie powinieneô jej upubliczniaê bez zgody autora, niezaleûnie
>>od zawartej w niej traôci.

> Tak??? A skâd wiesz, ûe kumpel sië nie zgodziî??? Dla twojej wiadomoôci
>jest to wysîane za jego zgodâ!!!

Zgodziî sië na publiczne oômieszanie? No cóû, skoro lubi...

Ja EOT.

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At 21:11 98-06-15 -1, you wrote:
>CZE¦Æ
>
>1. Jak ztobiæ wciêcie w tek¶cie (akapit) ?

>2. Jak zrobiæ odstêp od literek o wiêcej ni¿ jedn± spacjê ???
spacja to   [juz ktos pisal...] co do wciecia - z tego co wiem html na
razie nie obejmuje takich rzeczy jak akapit - musisz wstawic te nbsp -
straszny smietnik. polecam jednak raczej nieuzywac - zle wyglada i zdaje
sie ze nie wszystko to rozumie.
        nXr { polecam chip special html-java }

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Czesc!

Pisze wlasnie taki jeden program i chce aby mial on GUI
o innym/fajniejszym wygladzie niz standardowy. Poniewaz sam
nie zabardzo umiem rysowac i w ogole cos takiego zaprojektowac
dlatego zwracam sie z prosba do listowiczow. Moze ktos juz
kiedys narysowal jak powinny wygladac jego wymazone okienka
czy moze teraz poswiecilby temu troche czasu. Chodziloby zarowno
o wyglady okien jak i poszczegolnych kontrolek.

Ograniczenia:
nie bede implementowal okien w stylu hobbickim czyli
okraglych ;-), poprostu prostokaty

Uwagi:
Ekran nie ma miec menu na gorze tylko maja sie one znajdowac
w gornej czesci okna.
Moga wystepowac ramki wokol gadgetow takie jak w nowym netskejpie
czyli pojawiajace sie dopiero po najechaniu na gadget.
Wydaje mi sie ze im taki GUI jest skromniejszy (cienkie ramki w malych
ilosciach itp.) tym jest czytelniejszy dla uzytkownika a oprocz tego
napewno szybciej sie rysuje.

Nie wiem czy ten program bedzie komercyjny czy shareware dlatego niewiele
moge powiedziec o wynagrodzeniu dla autorow wykorzystanych pomyslow
ale conajmniej dostana sam program.

O dalsza korespadencje prosze na priva.

Pozdrawiam

Michal Siwa

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Andrzej Ciemniecki, [e-mail] wrote:

>>chodzi o spis zainicjowany ze dwa miesiace temu na tej liscie.
>>Otoz kupa luda radosnie podala: kto, gdzie, jaki ma komputer.
>>Zerknij do dejanews
>
>Co to sa dejanews ???

www.dejanews.com. Zajrzyj a wszystko stanie sie jasne :)



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Dnia 15-Cze-98 Maciej Gajewski napisaî:
> Witam.

> Ostatnio kumpel sobie kupil PPC 604 233 MHz, wiec mialem okazje porownac
> predkosc tego procka z moim 603@200. Wniosek - 604 jest DUUUZO, nawet
kilka
> razy szybszy. Np. jeden blok RC5 liczy mi sie ponad 25 min., a na jego
> sprzecie niecale 7! ADoom chodzi tak, ze nie mozna nadazyc, u mnie chodzi

no to nie kumam jak ty to robisz, bo u mnie 603e@160 jeden blok 2^28 liczy
sie 8 minut i 2 sekundy, 557000 keys/sec :-). Mowie o kliencie pod linuxa,
pod AmigaOSem minimalnie wolniej.
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> > Czy ktos z listowiczow moze polecic jakis niezly program
> > umozliwiajacy otworzenie ekranu WB w HAMie6 albo 8?
> > Jakies uwagi co do dzialania?
> Nie eiwm czy sie da. ALe na pewno bedzie potwornie wolne, brrr

Da sie (sa nawet sterowniki do tego ale nie pamietam gdzie - oprocz tego ze na
Aminecie ;). Jest tylko jedno ale, wolny to jest WB 8-bit, natomiast w HAM jest
hmmmm.... (IMHO) tylko dla czwiczacych cierpliwosc ;).

Pozdrawiam.
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  Witam!

  Ostatnio mam problemy ze swoim drivem. Przez nieuwage owerwritenalem
stara wersje atapi.device i od tego momentu nijak nie moge zamontowac
czytnika. Probowalem wszystkich kombinacji posiadanych device'ow i
filesystemow z i bez idefixa, ale tylko w 8-smiu przypdkach system
sie nie zawieszal, w pozostalych 22 proba zamontowania CD0 konczyla
sie zwisem systemu 8(.
  Do tej pory uzywalem atapi.device w wersji 113.1 i AmiCDFS w wersji
2.40 i drive jakos dzialal, choc przyznam, ze nie najlepiej. Mam
czytnik Samsunga 24x o symbolu SCR-2431. Wprawdzie zgrywa tracki (pod
OptyCDPlayerem; czasem jednak zgrane sciezki sa uszkodzone -- powtarzaja
sie krotkie fragmenty, tak jak przy przeskakiwaniu CD-ka podczas bledu
odczytu), ale za to podczas odtwarzania CDDA (tez pod tym samym
playerkiem) wystepuja jakies problemy z dzwiekiem, co w efekcie
przypomina krecenie potencjometerem glosnosci (raz ciszej, raz glosniej).
I o ile wersja 1.5 OptyCDP w miare dziala, to najnowsza wersja w ogole
juz nie odtwarza plyek audio 8(. Co ciekawe, SCDPlayer odtwarza sciezki
audio poprawnie, nawet dziala volume slider, ktory nie dzialal mi z
innymi drive'ami. Do tego mam wrazenie, ze system jest mniej stabilny,
kiedy CDD jest podmontowany. Dlatego mam ogormna prosbe, szczegolnie
do osob posiadajacy identyczny lub podobny (tzn. tez Samsunga) naped --
choc chetnie skorzystam z pomocy innych osob z cd-drivem -- o
uruchomienie dolaczonego skrpytu i odeslaniu mi wygenerowanego przez
niego raportu. Zawierac on bedze Wasz plik montujacy cd-drive, a takze
wersje Waszych device'ow i filesystemow. Mam nadzieje, ze na tej
podstawie bede mogl cos w koncu wykombinowac. Wszelkie komentarze
odnosnie uzytkowania napedow CD Samsunga beda wrecz nieocenione.
  Mam A1200, KS3.0, MC68040, MCP603e i 48MB FAST RAM.

PS.
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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Blazej Lyjak wrote:

> Cze!
>
> Czy ktos z listowiczow moze polecic jakis niezly program
> umozliwiajacy otworzenie ekranu WB w HAMie6 albo 8?
> Jakies uwagi co do dzialania?

Nie eiwm czy sie da. ALe na pewno bedzie potwornie wolne, brrr

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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Tomasz Owczarek wrote:

> To powiedzmy przezylbym bo ekran PAL uzywam chyba tylko do odpalania
> Galagi i to tak mniej wiecej raz na pol roku...
>
> Ale... nadal nie wiem jak zrobic >28 kHz...

Proste. zmieniasz ekran na jakis z wyzsza czest. pozioma (np. dblpal,
multiscan, euro72 etc..) a w prefsach AHI (z uwzglednieniem odpowiednich
ustawien programow odtwarzajacych) razem z trybem odtwarzania ustawiasz
mix rate. To tyle... dziala od razu. W trybie PAL jest ograniczenie od
gory do 28kHz w innych ta granica jest odpowiedni wyzsza.
I jeszcze jedno. W prefsach AHI ustawic mozna max zajetosc procesora przez
AHI. Jesli ustawisz za mala  (np. 10% - tylko po co :) to chyba tez obniza
sie max. frate. Najbezpieczniej jest ustawic ok 97% bo dla stu mozna
zawiesic komputer

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On Sun, 14 Jun 1998, Radoslaw Olejniczak wrote:
> Pod koniectygodnia bedziemy mieli na aminecie SongPlayer'a 1.3 ktory bedzie potrafil kozystac z mpega.library w wersji dla PPC!!! Wreszcie pozadny player mp3 dla PPC.
Juz jest:)


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Cze !

On 15-Cze-98, you wrote:

> At 10:53 98-06-11 +0200, you wrote:
>
> Wyglada to na userke sprzetu (lub tylko kabla), Tak sie zapytam, czy
> zlikwidowales
> 14 pin? - bo jesli nie to mogles cos spalic, znajomy tak popalil troszke
rzeczy.
>
> Kaczus of BlaBla

Na 450% wyciâîem ten pin ..... nawet ojciec toto zaizolowaî ..... dziaîaîo
ze 2 lata aû tu schliîem sië po coô na podîogë , a tu bach i amy wisi !

Potem drukareczkë oddaîem koledze bo ûadna siîa nie zdoîaîa jej zmusiê do
druczenia na mojej amy .... na PupCi dziaîa caîkiem wporzonsiu.

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On 15-Jun-98, Maciej Gajewski wrote:
>Ostatnio kumpel sobie kupil PPC 604 233 MHz, wiec mialem okazje porownac
>predkosc tego procka z moim 603@200. Wniosek - 604 jest DUUUZO, nawet kilka
>razy szybszy. Np. jeden blok RC5 liczy mi sie ponad 25 min., a na jego
>sprzecie niecale 7! ADoom chodzi tak, ze nie mozna nadazyc, u mnie chodzi
>ledwie plynnie. Pytanie - jakim cudem przyrost predkosci w stosunku do 603
>jest taki duzy, skoro w/g strony www Motoroli:
>                603e    604     750
>                @200    @200    @300
>SPECint95       5,6     9,4     13,2
>SPECfp95        4,9     8,7     8,5
>MIPS            283     418     540
>                        (@233)
>Wniosek: 604 powinien byc o okolo 70% szybszy od 603e. Czemu tak nie jest?
>Czyzby FAZA5 skopala sprawe?

W kartach do A4000 kontroler pamieci jest o wiele szybszy niz w kartach do
1200. (okolo 2 razy, bo ma szyne 64 bity a nie 32 jak 1200) - stad tez roznica
w predkosciach nominalnych a realnych.

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Dnia 12-Cze-98 Tomasz Górniak napisaî:
> A teraz z innej beczki.
> W Magazynie Amiga podana zostaîa lista programów dziaîajâcych na PPC.
> Interesujâ nas zwîaszcza wersje Unixa. Pytanie: Czy ktoô miaî z stycznoôê
z
> podanymi w artykule wersjami i czy mu zadziaîaîy? Czy ewentualnie sâ
jakieô
> inne wersje dziaîajâce pod PPC?
Jest Linux PPC dziaîajâcy na Amigach z Blizzardami i Cyberstormami PPC. Nie
jest to jeszcze w peîni stabilne, chociaû dziaîa nie najgorzej. Podczas
ostatniego tygodnia pracy non-stop tylko raz mi sie wywaliî. Niestety pod
adresem podanym w MA niewiele ci powiedza. Tam jest o linuxie ppc ale dla
PowerMaców, maszyn IBMa i Motoroli. Z tamtâd moûesz ôciâgnâê potem RPMy.
Port Linuxa dla Amigi z PowerPC nazywa sie Linux/APUS (Amiga PowerUp
System) i znajdziesz go pod adresem:
ftp://sunsite.auc.dk/local/os/linux/apus albo na polskim mirrorze:
ftp://snickers.ek.univ.gda.pl/pub/apus
Na poczâtek najlepiej przeczytaê FAQ.
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Sprawdzales ppc.library...

Maciej Gajewski wrote:

> Witam.
>
> Ostatnio kumpel sobie kupil PPC 604 233 MHz, wiec mialem okazje porownac
> predkosc tego procka z moim 603@200. Wniosek - 604 jest DUUUZO, nawet kilka
> razy szybszy. Np. jeden blok RC5 liczy mi sie ponad 25 min., a na jego
> sprzecie niecale 7! ADoom chodzi tak, ze nie mozna nadazyc, u mnie chodzi
> ledwie plynnie. Pytanie - jakim cudem przyrost predkosci w stosunku do 603
> jest taki duzy, skoro w/g strony www Motoroli:
>
>                 603e    604     750
>                 @200    @200    @300
> SPECint95       5,6     9,4     13,2
> SPECfp95        4,9     8,7     8,5
> MIPS            283     418     540
>                         (@233)
>
> Wniosek: 604 powinien byc o okolo 70% szybszy od 603e. Czemu tak nie jest?
> Czyzby FAZA5 skopala sprawe?
>
> BTW. Swoja droga ciekawe, dlaczego P5 nie stosuje procka 603e@300 MHz.
> BTW2. Na pierwszy rzut oka, ten MPC750 to zadna rewelacja :(
> BTW3. Jak na tle tych wskaznikow wygladaja pENTIUMY I i II?
>
> Zainteresowanych odsylam:
>
> http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/products/semiconductor/cpu/603.html
> http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/products/semiconductor/cpu/604.html
> http://www.mot.com/SPS/PowerPC/products/semiconductor/cpu/750.html
>
> --
>
> Maciej Gajewski     Team *AMIGA*

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Czeôê Grzegorz

On 16-Cze-98, you wrote:

> Hello Leszek Dobija, on 15-Cze-98    14:27:50 you wrote:
>
>>> Myôlë, ûe maîo kogo obchodzâ takie traôci.
>
>> Tak??? Moûe sië mylë ale byî to list doôê mocno zwiâzany z Amigâ &
>
> To ja jutro opiszë, jakie zaj***ste naklejki mam na obudowie. Bëdzie
> zwiâzane z Amigâ jak najbardziej.
>
>> uwaûaîem, ûe zainteresuje tym listem kilka osób (i sië udaîo, bo kilka
osób
>> odpisaîo na mój list)!!!
>
> Wyôlij na listë megabajt binariów to równieû dostaniesz parë odpowiedzi :)
>
>>> Poza tym to korespondencja
>>> prywatna i nie powinieneô jej upubliczniaê bez zgody autora, niezaleûnie
>>> od zawartej w niej traôci.
>
>> Tak??? A skâd wiesz, ûe kumpel sië nie zgodziî??? Dla twojej wiadomoôci
>> jest to wysîane za jego zgodâ!!!
>
> Zgodziî sië na publiczne oômieszanie? No cóû, skoro lubi...
>
> Ja EOT.
>
> --
>   Grzegorz Juraszek * Yoyo^Twilight * Amiga user * AIRI & ATO PL member
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>                    Agent Mulder * The X-Files * Redux

 Uwaûam, ûe jesteô mâdry inaczej i dalsza dyskusja z tobâ jest
bezsensowna!!!

ps. Tak na marginesie, to takimi listami jakie wysyîasz ty teraz to zaômieca
sië listë i one nie dotyczâ Amigi.

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On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Leszek Dobija wrote:

>  Uwa¿am, ¿e jeste¶ m±dry inaczej i dalsza dyskusja z tob± jest
> bezsensowna!!!
>
> ps. Tak na marginesie, to takimi listami jakie wysy³asz ty teraz to za¶mieca
> siê listê i one nie dotycz± Amigi.

Kto tu kolego zasmieca liste? Yoyo kulturalnie i zupelnie
slusznie zwrocil uwage na Twoje zle postepowanie. Ty
nie dosc, ze go obrazasz to smiesz jeszcze mowic o zasmiecaniu
listy... A ty nie smiecisz, chociazby cytujac sygnaturke, badz
piszac takie bzdety? Jesli nie prezentujesz odpowiedniego
poziomu to prosze, nie odzywaj sie... zyska lista, zyska
pozostale 300 osob.

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On Tue, 16 Jun 1998, Le WarFrog wrote:

> >2. Jak zrobiæ odstêp od literek o wiêcej ni¿ jedn± spacjê ???
> spacja to   [juz ktos pisal...] co do wciecia - z tego co wiem html na
> razie nie obejmuje takich rzeczy jak akapit - musisz wstawic te nbsp -
> straszny smietnik. polecam jednak raczej nieuzywac - zle wyglada i zdaje
> sie ze nie wszystko to rozumie.
nie koniecznie. Mozna jeszcze posluzyc sie przezroczystym gifem:

ble blah, blah, blah, blah, bulg, dups
<img src="pusty.gif" alt="    "> A tu wciecie, blah, blah
dups, ms, blah, sux, blah, blah, blah.
(to alt="   " to uklon w strone Lynxowiczow)

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Hello Karol Bryd, on 14-Cze-98    09:23:13 you wrote:

>to polecam Asim'a. System ten sprawdziî sië jeszcze na innym cd-rom'ie
>(nie pamiëtam firmy i modelu) który teû odmawiaî wspóîpracy z np.
>OptyCDPlayerem a z Asim'em dziaîaî idealnie...

Tylko nie na kaûdym CDku Asim dziaîa.

ps. Dziëkujë wszystkim, którzy przysîali mi info o samplujâcych CDkach na
priv i nie tylko. Moûe na AS coô upolujë.

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Hello Marcin Nowak, on 16-Cze-98    08:44:56 you wrote:

>Error validating WORK
>block 985830 used twice

>Przeleciaîem të gigowâ partycjë 2xQuarterBackTools i 1xDiskSalv4 i... nic!

ABTools zawsze mi pomagaî w takich przypadkach.

ps. Za duûo sië produkujesz na liôcie o rzeczach maîo waûnych, szczególnie
o pecetach. Przystopuj.

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Howgh
Jak nie trudno, zauwaûyê dyskusja na temat 14 pina roz.gorzaîa(napiîbym
sië..;)
Kilka osób, teoretyków, twierdzi, ûe 14 pin rula, natomiast praktycy,
którym uszkodziîa sië Amiga z powodu owego pina, uwaûajâ, ûe 14 pin be.
Ja(chyba nie tylko) zaliczam sië do tej drugiej grupy.
Upartych sië nie przekona, a dla niezdecydowanych garstka cytatów
(chronologicznie):

*C&A*(lame of lame)*1/94*, ale niech tam...
"Uûytkownicy Amigi powinni profilaktycznie usunâc z wtyczki
PARALLEL pin nr 14"

*MA 5/94* i *MA 94SE* autor: *MPS*
"Przy okazji odpowiem tu Czytelnikowi, który domaga sië wyjaônienia
raz na zawsze sprawy 'czternastego pina', bo w jakiejô gazetce wyczytaî,
ûe tego robic nie trzeba: A zatem - czy naleûy izolowac kabel przy
czternastym pinie we wtyczce kabla îâczâcego od strony komputera?
Moje zdanie jest takie: w tych drukarkach, w których do zîâcza czternstego
nie jest doprowadzany ûaden sygnaî nie jest to konieczne, z tym ûe w instr.
drukarek nigdy nic na ten temat nie ma. Aby sië przekonac, naleûy rozkrëcic
drukarkë(utrata gwarancji itd.). W zwiâzku z tym uwaûam, ûe naleûy izolowac
ten pin. Strzeûonego... A koledzy ze wspomnianej gazetki najprawdopodobniej
umiejâ sobie sami naprawic drukarkë(bo ja nie)."

*MA 10/95* autor: *Stanley*
"pin 14 - +5V PULLUP - sygnaî niestandardowy! Nie powinien byc podîâczany
do urzâdzeï zewnëtrznych! (...) Napiëcie na tym pinie nie powinno byc
nadal podîâczane do drukarki - moûe ono spowodowac uszkodzenie zarówno jej,
jak i komputera! Sîuûy do zasilania nietypowych urzâdzeï wtykanych do portu
drukarki."

*MA 5/96* autor: *Jarosîaw Hordecki*
"Podîaczenie drukarki do Amigi nie sprawia ûadnych problemów.
Dokonujemy tego za pomocâ zwykîego kabelka, który moûna kupic
w kaûdym sklepie komputerowym. Pamiëtac trzeba oczywiôcie o odciëciu
przewodu od czternastego pina. Rezygnacja z tej proôciutkiej przeróbki
moûe doprowadzic nawet do uszkodzenia drukarki lub komputera."

*MA 5/96* autor: *Jarosîaw Hordecki*
"Pamiëtac trzeba tylko o koniecznej modyfikacji kabla îâczâcego komputer
z drukarkâ(naleûy odciâc 14 pin.)(...)"

*MA 10/97* autor: *Grzegorz Fitrzyk*
"Kupujâc kabel îâczâcy drukarkë z komputerem(kabel nie jest dostarczany
z drukarkâ), naleûy pamiëtac o usuniëciu poîâczenia z koïcówki 14 od
strony komputera. (...). Pin ten jest bardzo ûadko uûywany, a pozostawienie
go w przypadku Amigi moûe spowodowac uszkodzenie zarówno Amigi, jak i
drukarki.
Niektóre drukarki majâ moûliwoôc komunikacji dwukierunkowej z komputerem;
trzeba uwaûac na sterowniki do nich uûywane. Zastosowanie niewîaôciwego
moûe spowodowac uszkodzenie portu Amigi i portu drukarki. Mnie sië to zdarzyîo
w trakcie uûywania programu Studio II. Mam drukarkë Stylus Color IIs i zmiana
ustawieï programu ze ôtylus Color IIs na Stylus Color PRO spowodowaîa
trwaîe uszkodzenie portu."

Oczywiôcie ja nikogo nie namawiam do przecinania przewodu przy 14 pinie;
"decyzja naleûy do ciebie".

Ewentualne fucki za tyle cytatów na priv. Nie bëdë odpowiadaî na zaczepki
w temacie [cenzura] pina. Proponuje EOT 4ever.

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>Czesc.

Siema!

>Powaznie zastanawia mnie jedna rzecz: po co wylewamy te wiadra pomyj na
>pecety? Chyba tylko po to zeby sie dowartosciowac bo innego sensownego
>wytlumaczenia nie widze.

Moze po to aby sluch po nas nie zaginal... Nieczesto slowo Amiga mozna
uslyszec z ust nieamigowcow :(

>Powiedzmy sobie szczerze: Amiga w dalszym ciagu nie
>moze odbic sie od dna (a sadzac po wypowiedziach jej wlascicieli specjalnie im
>na tym nie zalezy ;

Amiga nie jest, nie byla i nie bedzie komputerem dla mas (czesto ciemnych).
Ale co do wlascicieli - zgadzam sie.

>i na co bylo wizjonerstwo i geniusz Jaya Minera, skoro gdy
>tylko Jego zabraklo, wszystko rozsypalo sie w puch?),

Wszystko to nie, ale teraz nadzieja tylkow firmach trzecich (vide phase5 etc.)

>Macintosh dogorywa jako
>komputer dla profesjonalistow (tego to juz calkiem nie rozumiem... przeciez

Tu chyba nie bardzo wiesz o czym piszesz - tak sie sklada, ze rynek makowy
to nie tylko zapecetowiona Polska.

>MacOS jest bardzo kiepskim systemem, i poza ta jego pozorna przyjaznoscia nie
>ma zadnych zalet), Atari zdechlo w meczarniach, i pies z kulawa noga nawet o

MacOS jest bardzo dobrym systemem i w takim samym stopniu przewyzsza
AmigaOS jak AmigaOS MacOSa

>powstania-pecet. Komputer o najgorszym mozliwym systemie operacyjnym (najpierw
>DOS potem wszelkiego udzwigu Windy), a jednak posuwa sie nie hamowany przez
>nikogo wciaz do przodu. Na nasze medzenie kloniarze nawet nie beda probowac

Myslalem, ze piszesz o systemach operacyjnych... dla mnie jedynymi
systemami na PC sa Unix (we wszelkich odmianach) i OS2Warp, a nie Winda.

>skwitowac tak: "...Amigowcy maja swietnego OS-a i niewykorzystane mozliwosci a
>my pecetowcy mamy najlepsze gry i najwiecej profesjonalnego software'u..." I
>TO BEDZIE PRAWDA. Bo my poza okrzykami AMIGA RULES-zreszta coraz bardziej

To juz wyjasnil inny kolega listoczytacz.

>pare lat temu a nie w tej chwili a poza tym co to za rzadzenie w roli
>przystawki do Video Toastera czy innych specjalizowanych kart? Niestety nasza

To dziwne,ze Ciebie to szokuje. Przeciez stacje np. Intergrapha tez sa
budowane pod specjalizowana karte RealiZm. Zreszta Amiga jako komputer
domowy (nie masowy) nie musi miec tych dodatkow.

>najwieksza bolaczka jest brak softu rozywkowego (czytaj: gier) i niech nikt mi
>nie mowi ze do grania to jest PSX a Amiga do pracy. Niech kazdy sam zastanowi

Nie wszyscy posiadajacy Amisie maja 16-20 lat i zarzynaja klawiature giercujac.

>sie coz takiego waznego robi na Amidze oprocz garstki bardziej lub mniej
>profesjonalnego Videofilmowania czy innych podobnych rzeczy. Chcial niechcial

A co jest bardziej profesjonalne na PC? Pisanie w Wordzie?

>dowartosciowywanie sie. Gdyby kazdy zamiast -za przeproszeniem- pieprzenia w
>bambus w odpowiednim momencie kupil choc jedna oryginalna gre lub program a
>nie "marcowe rogaliki" to kto wie jak potoczylyby sie losy naszego wspanialego
>komputera.

Tu masz absolutna racje.

>A tak... co nam pozostalo: albo sie zagryzc nawzajem albo "praca u
>podstaw" czyli proba naprawienia bledow zrobionych wczesniej albo przez
>kosmiczna glupote albo nieswiadomosc.

Pozostalo nam byc soba i nie dac sie. A swoja droga o tym, czy komputer
jest lepszy (a nie bardziej popularny) od innego moze przekonac sie tylko
sam uzytkownik.

>PS. Nie jestem kryptokloniarzem co widac po sygnaturze, przesiadac sie tez nie
>mam zamiaru.

I chwala Ci za to!
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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Mahomet wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Scandal Jackson wrote:
>
> > Male pytanko dla ludzi siedzacych w Unixie. Zakladam katalog arturs w
> > home/httpd/html i chcialbym zmienic mu uzytkownuika (standardowo pojawia sie
> > root ale jako root nie mozna telnetowac ani ftpowac). Wiem ze sluzy do tego
> > chown ale nie wiem jak uzyc skladni..prosze o pomoc.
> chown <nazwa usera> <nazwa katalogu>
chown usern.group katalog

ps. man chown
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Cze Tomasz!
Maîy update:

> "...Amigowcy maja swietnego OS-a i niewykorzystane mozliwosci a
> my pecetowcy mamy najlepsze gry i najwiecej profesjonalnego software'u..." I
> TO BEDZIE PRAWDA.

Profi... hmmm... Powaûny software jest na Ami, tylko ûe nie jest sîawny! (ta
reklama...) Look:

*MUZYKA* - Symphonie, DigiboosterPro (caîy czas rozwijane), Octamed Sound
Studio
*VIDEO*  - WildFire (ostatnio PPC :), X-DVE, mamy Scalë, MediaPoint...
*GRAFA*  - ArtEffect, DrawStudio, DPaintV, PersonalPaint, Lightwave,
MaxonCinema, Real3D, Imagine, Tornado3D (ostatnio PPC)
*TEXT*   - od Ceda po PageStreama, DecisionWord (czy jakoôtak), FinalWriter,
AmitekstPro
*EDUKACJA* - Amilopedia, EnglishTeacher, SciencePackCD
*GRY*    - Quake, Tomb Raider, Napalm, Forgotten Forever, Foundation...,
Descent, Doom (wiëkszoôê PPC), Enforcer i inne (np. konwersje ClickBoom-a)
*CASH*   - TurboCalc, ProCalc, Golem
*BAZY*   - tu mnogoôê, Fiasco, ja uûywam prostej db3.0 (trudno wymieniê te
"profi")
*SIEÊ *  - Miami, AmiTCP, AmFTP, Voyager, AmIRC, YAM2.0, THOR
*DIR    *- Opus, ScalOS
*PROGRAMOWANIE* - StormC, BlitzBasic
*EMUL*   - Shapeshifter, Fusion (przyszîoôê pod znakiem zapytania) + soft
"profi" na Maka, PC-Task (ale w wersji PPC, choê i ten moûe sië sprzydaê),
MagicC64
*SYSTEM* - nasz kochany AmigaDos, pOS

Czyli sâ programy "profi", które (mam nadziejë) bëdâ dalej rozwijane, a i nowe
zacznâ powstawaê.

> "my pecetowcy mamy ... _najwiecej_ profesjonalnego software'u..."

Majâ najwiëcej, ale nie tylko oni.
A co ma przeciëtny pecetowiec? Windë, Worda i resztë gierc. Przy czym jak ma
Worda to juû jest dobrze. :)
Trzym sië.
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Czeôê !

Koledze po zainstalowaniu Blizzarda PPC z 40/25 przestaî dziaîaê VMM.
Czy u innych na takiej konfiguracji VMM dziaîa, czy nie?

Pozdrowienia
Oby nam sië dzieci rakiet nie czepiaîy!!!
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  Dnia 15-Cze-98, Marcin Sokoîowski napisaî:

>1) SysInfo 3.24 pokazuje w PALu 37433 Dhrystony, co daje
>39.07 MIPSow (2.05 szybkosci A-4000). HDD ma predkosc 2.2

sys info to staroê... u mnie teû zaniûa :(

>3) SysSpeed nie moze wykonac testow szybkosciowych dla PPC.
>Czemu - nie wiem....(ktos moze wie ?)

pewnie jeszcze nie ma supportu...

>4) MPEG3 koder - pliki mp3 sa tworzone przez MusicIn'a
>(jakosc 44/1 kHz, 128 kbps, stereo) w czasie 1 sekunda
>muzyki = 18.8 sekund przeliczen. Dla 060 czas ten wzrasta do
>wartosci 1s = 53s. Latwo obliczyc, ze 3 minutowy utworek 060
>przeliczy w 2h:39 minut, PPC zas w 56 minut z sekundami.

nie ûartuj, w 56 min enkoduje utwór 44k1hz, 128kbps, stereo,
który trwa 8 minut !!! robie to na 060/66

>Kurcze... dlaczego pc-towiec na P200MX robi to samo w okolo
>16 minut ? W ostatnim MA mps twierdzil, ze jakis posiadacz
>PPC 604e/233 liczyl szybciej mp3, niz P-II/233. Juz to
>widze..

wiëcej optymizmu, zaczniesz sië tym naprawdë "bawiô"
to sam zobaczysz. dal porównania. 44k1hz, 128kbps, stereo,

P166MMX wypada ciut lepiej niû 060/66. Róûnica w czasie
jest niewielka, a w jakoôci.... ami wygrywa.
  choê odtwarzajâc na pc, to obydwie
próbki wypadajâ tak samo. Karta redukuje szumy i inne.

>4) Przy okazji: nie wie ktos, jak zrobic, zeby MusicIn przy
>liczeniu dlugiego utworu nie ladowal go od razu calego do
>pamieci ?

no coô ty.... to niby jak ja bym to enkodowaî ??? mam 18 mb,
a taki jeden plik zajmuje.... zresztâ niûej o tym piszesz.

>Mam tylko 18 MB i przy liczeniu utworku 40 MB
>MusicIn wczytuje na raz tyle, ile moze do pamieci (w tym do
>CHIPu, a tam predkosc spada, niestety...). Czyzby to juz
>czas zakupic 128 MB FASTu ?

zaraz zaraz, to w koïcu enkoduje, czy wyôwietla bîâd,
ûe za maîo pamiëci? na 128 to moûe jeszcze kiedyô przyjdzie
czas, ale jeszcze nie przyszedî... przynajmniej NIE, jeôli chodzi o
enkodowanie. Ja mam 16 mb fastu i sobië radze :)

trzymaj sië, powodzenia.

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Cze!
...no tak niedîugo wybuchnie 8-O
chodzi oczywiôcie o rok 2000 - tuû, tuû.

Jeden czîowiek przysyîa na liste mejle z datâ dd-mmm-*02*,
a YAM traktuje to chyba jako 2002, bo umieszcza na górze(tak mam ustawione)
Czy jest to przypadek, czy zamysî autora(YAM'a), a moûe system ma coô do
gadania w tej sprawie?
BTW, czy ktoô w ôwiatku amigowym zajmuje sië tym problemem, a moûe
to nie problem?

heyka
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Hello Tomislaw 'Cromax' Kitynski, on 14-Cze-98    23:21:17 you wrote:

>  Eee, no a jak ja mam podmienic ta biblioteke na nowsza???

No cóû... Czekaj aû Faza zrobi wreszcie, co obiecuje od dawna.

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Dnia 15-Cze-98, Marek Koszel napisaî:
> Cze...
>
> By3o pisane, ?e MCPb9 dzia3a poprawnie z MM. Nie wiem jak u innych, ale u
> mnie sij wiesza.
> MCPb8 dzia3a poprawnie.

Jezeli wysylasz poczte z pod peceta, a nie wiesz jak ustawic 7 bit,
to nie uzywaj polskich znaczkow. strasznie sie to czyta...

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Dnia 15-Cze-98, Marcin Haczyk napisaî:
> Jak ktos slusznie zauwazyl gusty nie podlegaja dyskusji,

no wlasnie, a jak dyskutowac z kims, kto w nowym MA widzi wiecej
kolorow niz w poprzednich numerach, albo mowi, ze obecnie MA
jest profesjonalny(BTW, lepiej nie naduzywac tego slowa - powoduje
ono ostatnio duzo kontrowersji)

> NOWY MAGAZYN AMIGA MI SIE NIE PODOBA!!! i to bardzo

mi tu

> Na pierwszy rzut oka jest taki... malo profesjonalny i czrno-bialy, no

znowu "pro", jezeli profesjonalizm w pismach to 120 stron
i co druga to reklama, to ja nie chce zeby MA byl profesjonalny.

> dobra troche szarawy. Nie najlepszej jakosci sa kolorowe ilustracje <vide
> okladka MACD5>.
> Oczywiscie nalezy brac pod uwage fakt, ze jest to pierwszy "nowy" numer
> MA i mozna troche popuscic <ale nie za duzo bo sie rozbestwia>.

mysle, ze lepiej jednak poczekac z obrzucaniem blotem MPS'a i layout'owcow.
Trzeba im dac troche czasu.

> Jestem otwarty na argumenty <jezeli potwierdzaja moje zdanie> i czekam na
> odpowiedzi.

hahahaha, dobry jestes, "glosuj, ale tylko, jezeli TAK". Co to za dyskusja
jak wszyscy cie popieraja?

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Cze

wszystkich, którzy korzystajâ z pROGRAMU "maîymiëkki Mailid"
proszë o wyîâczenie opcji, która powoduje doîâczanie do poczty
binariów ms-tnef. Jeûeli nie ma takiej opcji to proponujë
komisyjnie spaliê ten program oraz to z czego zostaî uruchomiony.

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No to ja tez swoje 3 grosze. Jest to pierwszy numer w nowych szatach, wiec
uwazam, ze trzeba potraktowac go ulgowo. Ogolnie podoba mi sie i fajnie ze
skladaja go na Amigach. Jedyne uwagi, jakie mam, to za duze odstepy miedzy
wierszami (ale nie wszedzie - np w opisie scene explorera jest ok.) i za
malo koloru. Najbardziej jednak (i to juz od bardzo dawna) denerwuje mnie
grubosc okladki, ktora niedlugo bedzie chyba miala gramature stron w srodku.
Generalnie jestem za i jestem pewien, ze nastepne numery beda lepsze.

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Witaj Radek, dnia 15-Jun-98 napisales:

> Nie. Trzeba zainstalowac filesystem, ktory sobie radzi z wiekszymi
dyskami.
> Beta wersja
> fastfilesystemu, ktory radzi sobie z takimi partycjami jest od dawna na
> www.amiga.de.
>
> Docent
>
> [Radek Olejniczak]
> Po zainstalowaniu tego filesystemu moja ami zaraz po reboot'cie sie
wiesza. Mam BlizzPPC i Seagate2.5GB
>
> Coroner

Ja uzywam tego fs od dawna i wszystko jest ok. Mam co prawda dysk 2.1GB ale
to praktycznie tak samo jak z 2.5. Jaki masz Kickstart? Wszystkie te
beta-pierdoly z AI wymagaja 3.1. Mozna to ofcoz spatchowac na 3.0 ale wtedy
moga pojawiac sie rozne dziwne problemy.

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Dnia 14-Cze-98, Marek "March" Szyprowski napisaî:

> Chciaîbym przerobië trochë sampli z formatu 8svx na Mp3. Zsamplowane sâ z
> czëstotliwoôciâ 44100Mhz z CD. Kiedy jednak chcë zakodowaë je (via
> Musicin.elf) wychodzi mi jedna wielka kaszana dúwiëkowa. Czy ktoô mógîby mi
> powiedzieë (napisaë :-) jak mam to zrobië?

Musi byê AIFF (16 bitów), nie 8 bitowy SVX
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Witaj Grzegorz

> Od wczoraj mam CS PPC.Procki 040/40 i 604e/233.Nie mam jeszcze scsi.
> Problem mam z CV3D.W chwili odpalania sterownika do monitora Ami sie
> wiesza.Nawet bez startapu.

Identyczne obiawy byîy u mnie.

> To nie jest sprawa softu.Nawet na golej partycji tylko z WB,CGFX,i
ppc.library
> sie wiesza.
> Musze teraz pracowac na Adze.Co za syf.Boje sie ze to moze byc problem z
> Busterem (mam revision 9).Pomocy !!!!!!!!!
> Moj monitor Daewoo 1115B nie chodzi z AGA.Co mam zrobic ?

Sporo czasu minëîo zanim zorientowaîem sië o co chodzi.
Wîâcz komputer z okrojanego startu (bez sterownika monitora CGFX) i zostaw na
ok 0.5 godz.
Jak sië rozgrzeje uruchom sterownik do monitota, jeôli Ci ruszy to masz
dokîadnie to samo co ja. Komputer ciepîy dziaîa prawidîowo, wîâczam wentylator
schîadzajâcy Amisië i po paru minutach zwiecha. Podgrzewam
suszarkâ do wîosów rusza i wszystko jest OK.
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Pod koniectygodnia bedziemy mieli na aminecie SongPlayer'a 1.3 ktory bedzie potrafil kozystac z mpega.library w wersji dla PPC!!! Wreszcie pozadny player mp3 dla PPC.

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On 13-Jun-98, Kamil Drzewiïski wrote:

> on 13-Cze-98 Dariusz Gac wrote:
>
>> Czoîem!
>
> [....troszkë wyciâîem...]
>
>>    I drugi problem: w tymûe numerze Amigi na liôëie oprogramowania
>> PPC jest wyszczególniony BywaterBASIC. Czy ktoô wie gdzie moûna znaleúë
>> dodatkowe informacje o tym BASICu ?
>
> Nie wiem jak z Basicem, ale czëôê softu to chyba jakiô ûart..... BeOS
> jest tu dobrym przykîadem (proponujë odwiedziê stronë q&a pod adresem
> www.be.com, a nastëpnie w polu search wpisaê "Amiga").

Kurczë to szkoda...(bo mielibyômy SheepShaver'a a tam VirtualPC a tam
Pentium 100 i to na Amidze PPC 603e 160MHz...)

> pozdrawiam

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CZEÔÊ

1. Jak ztobiê wciëcie w tekôcie (akapit) ?
2. Jak zrobiê odstëp od literek o wiëcej niû jednâ spacjë ???

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Z tego co ja wiem - nie wszystkie drukarki korzystaja z pina 14
i dlatego niektorym sie port wali, a niektorym nie.
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>Czesc.
>Mam pewien problem. Kupilem sobie nowy dysk Quantum 3.2 GB UDMA, a poniewaz
>mam Performe 5200 to nie mogle podlaczyc obu naraz. Gdy ruszylem z CD z Mac
>OS 8 to niczego mi nie wykryl, jakby nie bylo zadnego nowego twardziela,
>wiem ze nie byl on sformatowany ale mysle ze powinien wyskoczyc jakis blad
>ze znalazl jakies nowe uzadzenie ale nie moze go odczytac.
>Ludzie pomozcie bo musze szybko oddac swoj stary dysk. A tak wogole to
>podlaczylem swoj stary znowu i wszystko jest w pozadku, wiec odpada
>mozliwosc zlego podlaczenia.
>POMOCY!!!
A moze Drive Setupem? Bys zalozyl jakas partycje? Bo bez partycji - ani rusz.
A jesli nie ruszy Drive Setup, to HDT Toolsy na pewno.


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W dniu 14-Cze-98 (Niedziela)
Grzegorz Juraszek ([e-mail]) napisal:

>> To juû byîo jakiô czas temu, ale zapytam ponownie: Czy jest na Ami
>> cokolwiek, co odtworzy pliki AVI Intel Indeo?

> MAVI2.0. Niestety, to komercja :(

Big Dzienx!!
Wiem juû na czym stojë... :)

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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Adam Majewski wrote:

> 2. Jak zrobiæ odstêp od literek o wiêcej ni¿ jedn± spacjê ???
  zamiast spacji

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On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, Scandal Jackson wrote:

> Male pytanko dla ludzi siedzacych w Unixie. Zakladam katalog arturs w
> home/httpd/html i chcialbym zmienic mu uzytkownuika (standardowo pojawia sie
> root ale jako root nie mozna telnetowac ani ftpowac). Wiem ze sluzy do tego
> chown ale nie wiem jak uzyc skladni..prosze o pomoc.
chown <nazwa usera> <nazwa katalogu>

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Hello Dariusz Gac, on 15-Cze-98    10:41:19 you wrote:
><tsb>  *#Hello Marek !#*

>> Potrzebuje przekonwertowaë sample z formatu 8svx na Wav. W Aminecie
>znalazîem
>> sporo softu, ale robi on to tylko w drugâ stronë. Czy ktoô z
>obecnych na
>> liôcie wie czym to moûna zrobic? Skâd to cudo wziâë?

>   Jest coô takiego jak AHIRecord.
>   Ale praktycznie tego nie wypróbowywaîem.

Bardzo pomogles koledze...

Konwersje zrobi SinED, w ogole dobry program do sampli (jak na
niekomercyjny).

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Hello Marcin Sokoîowski, on 15-Cze-98    07:33:02 you wrote:

>1) SysInfo 3.24 pokazuje w PALu 37433 Dhrystony, co daje
>39.07 MIPSow (2.05 szybkosci A-4000).

Nie ufaj nikomu^H^H^HSysInfo :-)

>2) Tak na boku: SysInfo 3.24 pokazuje na SVGA (85 Hz) 63642
>Dhrystony, co daje 66.43 MIPSow (3.48 szybkosci A-4000).

Mniej wiëcej tyle pokazuje SysSpeed.

>3) SysSpeed nie moze wykonac testow szybkosciowych dla PPC.
>Czemu - nie wiem....(ktos moze wie ?)

Masz WarpOSa? Zmien nazwy jego bibliotek, ktos o tym pisal na liscie.
Ktory SysSpeed testuje PPC?

>4) MPEG3 koder - pliki mp3 sa tworzone przez MusicIn'a
>(jakosc 44/1 kHz, 128 kbps, stereo) w czasie 1 sekunda
>muzyki = 18.8 sekund przeliczen.

Ktora wersja??? U mnie na 233mhz to samo w 3 sekundy dla v1.4.

>Kurcze... dlaczego pc-towiec na P200MX robi to samo w okolo
>16 minut ?

...a ja w 9? U Ciebie powinno byc gora 11 minut.

>W ostatnim MA mps twierdzil, ze jakis posiadacz
>PPC 604e/233 liczyl szybciej mp3, niz P-II/233. Juz to
>widze..

Jesli P200 w 16 minut, to P233 w cirka ebaut 14 minut. Roznica jest...
tylko ze slyszalem juz takie legendy o kodowaniu mp3 na pececie, ze nie
wiem komu wierzyc, a sam tego nie sprawdzalem.

>4) Przy okazji: nie wie ktos, jak zrobic, zeby MusicIn przy
>liczeniu dlugiego utworu nie ladowal go od razu calego do
>pamieci ? Mam tylko 18 MB i przy liczeniu utworku 40 MB
>MusicIn wczytuje na raz tyle, ile moze do pamieci (w tym do
>CHIPu, a tam predkosc spada, niestety...).

To pewnie ten chip jest powodem, bo u mnie nic takiego nie ma miejsca -
MusicIn zajmuje tyle pamieci ile potrzebuje i skrobie po kawalku z
twardego.

>P.S. Kupujcie RAM IMHO. 32 MB EDO kosztuje juz 105 zl netto

Nie na wioskach.

>5) ISIS: w okienku na WB (1024x768 16 bit) wersja PPC (1.20)
>szaleje (160x120 72.8 FPS). Wersja dla 060 (1.10) "tylko"
>chodzi jako tako (12.2 FPS). Ale jak powieksze okienko na
>caly ekran, predkosc PPC (3.7 FPS) < predkosc 060 (5.4 FPS).
>Co jest grane ???!!?

Sam sobie odpowiadasz ponizej :)

>Uruchamiam oba ISISy z tymi samymi parametrami (czyli zadnymi,
>bez layera itd)

To uruchom z layerem.

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Hello Marek "March" Szyprowski, on 14-Cze-98    19:19:11 you wrote:
>Chciaîbym przerobië trochë sampli z formatu 8svx na Mp3. Zsamplowane sâ z
>czëstotliwoôciâ 44100Mhz z CD.

Zamien 8svx na aiff.

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On 14-Jun-98, Piotr Walaszek wrote:

> Grrrrrr, :)
>
> Kiedyô dorwaîem na chwilkë Toshibë XM-5702B o ile pamiëtam dziaîaîa z
> OptyCDPlayerem
> A w tej chwili mam w îapach (8x) Sony CDU311. Elegancko ôciâga sample
> OptyCdPlayer
> device=tandemat.device   (karta TAndem)
> w prefs ustawione
> PLAY10 (na play12 nie dziaîa sterowanie play, skip itp)
> z scsi.device i atapi.device (Idefix) dziaîa tak samo :))

Moûe wiecie to co tutaj napiszë ale mnie to zdziwiîo.
Otóû mam CD-ROM'a Matsushita CR-581-M (quad) i ÛADEN program do ôciâgania
traków z pîyt audio nie dziaîaî. Po zainstalowaniu AsimCDFS nagle wszystko
zaczëîo dziaîaê, nie dosyê, ûe mogë tracki ôciâgnâê to jeszcze mogë to
zrobiê nawet FileMasterem. Jeûeli wiëc zaleûy wam na takiej moûliwoôci
to polecam Asim'a. System ten sprawdziî sië jeszcze na innym cd-rom'ie
(nie pamiëtam firmy i modelu) który teû odmawiaî wspóîpracy z np.
OptyCDPlayerem a z Asim'em dziaîaî idealnie...

> Skaza ûyje !
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Hi!

Wysîaîem jednemu kumplowi pECETOWCOWI list o traôci jak niûej. Jest to
przedruk z jakiô news'ów.
Ale on mi odpisaî :-O I co o tym (jego) liôcie myôleê :( ??????

############### MÓJ LIST ############

>!!!!!!!!Przeczytaj!!!!!
>
>
>
>Targi World of Amiga odbyîy sië w Londynie w dniach 16-17 maja, jednak
>najwiêksza nowoôê ogîoszona zostaîa wieczorem 15. Przedstawiciel Amiga Inc.
>Jeff Schindler przedstawiî przyszîoôê Amigi.
>
>W skrócie - w ciâgu 18 miesiëcy technologia Amigi stanie sië
>najnowoczeôniejszâ architekturâ ze wszystkich komputerów domowych!!!
>Na razie nie ma jeszcze zbyt duûo szczegóîów, ale trochë juû wiadomo.
>
>Nowy komputer pracujâcy pod systemem Amiga OS5 (system w wersji 4.0
>nazywany "bridge" przeznaczony jest przede wszystkim dla developerów.
>System oparty na x86/PCI na którym dziaîâê bëdzie OS 4.0 ma symulowaê
>dziaîanie nowego sprzëtu (chodzi tu szczególnie o emulacjë nowego ukîadu
>scalonego) i systemu, aby programiôci juû teraz mogli zaczâê tworzyê pod
>nowâ Amigë.) bëdzie wyposaûony w nowoczesny zestaw ukîadów
>specjalizowanych nazywanych obecnie "Wow" chip :) . Nie jest to na pewno
>chip Intela, ani Motoroli. Jest to ukîad programowalny, który jest zdolny
>do wykonywania rozkazów Motoroli, Intela i prawie kaûdego zestawu rozkazów
>poprzez emulacjë tak szybko (jeôli nawet nie szybciej) jak oryginalny
>procesor. Stworzony zostaî z myôlâ o multimiediach i dziaîa w standardach
>PAL, NTSC, VGA a takûe ... HDTV. Umoûliwia równoczesne dekodowanie 4 filmów
>MPEG-2 (DVD Video). Obsîuguje takûe cyfrowy dúwiëk (oczywiôcie stereo)
>równieû w standardach AC-3/Dolby Digital, a takûe dúwiëk z MPEG-2.
>Moûliwoôci 3D tego ukîadu sâ wiëksze niû ktokolwiek planuje na najbliûsze 2
>lata - 400 milionów pikseli na sekundë, podczas, gdy VooDoo 2 ma zaledwie
>30 milionów. Wszystko to oczywiôcie w 24 bitach z dowolnym efektem 3D...
>
>Reszta targów pozostaîa w cieniu tego ogîoszenia i plotek o tym, ûe
>"nastëpna Amiga bëdzie miaîa procesor Intela" tylko dlatego, ûe jedyny
>system symulacji nowego ukîadu dla Amigi przypadkowo dziaîa tylko na x86...
>
>Z innych ciekawych rzeczy; na targach miaîy premierë takie gry jak
>Geneticthe Epic 1998 Encyclopedia, Virual Karting 2, oraz hymn Amiga
>International
>"back To The Future" :).
>
>W sumie trzeba stwierdziê, ûe byîy to chyba najlepsze targi World of
>Amigajakie kiedykolwiek miaîy miejsce, poniewaû podczas nich miîo miejsce
>tak
>waûne dla losów Amigi przemówienie.
>
>
>
>
>
>No i co ty na to czadzie. A jak stanie sië wszysto to co pisze w tym
>texcie???
>Chyba kupisz sobie Amigë  :-)
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Ale to sië nie stanie!!! CHA CHA CHA CHA.
Stary za 18 miesiëcy Intel moûe dokonaê 10 razy wiëkszej rewolucji, a jeûeli
im sië to nie uda, to pewnie wykupiâ ten projekt i wdroûâ do platwormy
Peceta. Staê ich na to.
Zresztâ ty chyba jesteô niedoinformowany. Wiesz co sië staîo z ALFÂ,
najszybszym procesorem produkowanym seryjnie. Niedawno INTEL wykupiî
DIGITALA twórcë ALFY i teraz sam produkuje ten procesor.
Nie ma juû ALFY jest INTEL ALFA. Nie wyssaîem tych wiadomoôci, wyczytaîem z:

1. Dodatku komputerowego Gazety Wyborczej.
2. Z papierowego Chipa.
3. Z WWW Chipa.

Daje gîowe, ûe to prawda. STARY jeûeli INTEL zwietrzy, ûe jest zagroûony, to
albo wykupi ten projekt i bëdzie sprzedawaî jako swój, albo go wykupi i
wstrzyma. STAÊ ich na to INTEL to monopolista na caîy ôwiat.
My w Polsce mamy jednego monopola - TP. SA i widzisz jakie sâ jaja.

No to na razie.


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On 14-Jun-98, Konrad Daszynski wrote:
[]
> Zdecydowanie tak.
>
>> Istnieje cos takiego jak HDInstTools ! Moze to pomoze ??
>
> W docu pisze ûe tak, ale nie próbowaîem. Trzeba jeszcze pamiëtaê jednej
> sprawie - do formatowania uûyê komendy format64 (dostëpna na Aminecie)

To moze jednak te dyski, ktorych ceny zostaly tu podane dzialaja jednak z
Amiga, a nie jak to zaprzeczyl Janusz ?? Przeciez Marek pisal w MA o dysku
Seagate 6.4GB DZIALAJACYM u niego w 100% !

Wiec jak ?

Tylko jak 'zapaczowac' scsi.device, ktore nie jest scsi.device - np.
2ndscsi.device czy jak u Janusza cybppc.device (czy jakos tak) ??

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Ostatnio oglâdajâc pîytë gîównâ mojej Amigi 1200 (by Escom) odkryîem jakieô
zîâcze. Gniazdko to ma 20 pinów (2 x 10) i znajduje sië pomiëdzi kickstartem,
a pamiëciâ chip. Czy ktoô z obecnych na liôcie :-) wie do czego sîuûy to coô?

3majcie sië!

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Potrzebuje przekonwertowaê sample z formatu 8svx na Wav. W Aminecie znalazîem
sporo softu, ale robi on to tylko w drugâ stronë. Czy ktoô z obecnych na
liôcie wie czym to moûna zrobic? Skâd to cudo wziâê?

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Chciaîbym przerobiê trochë sampli z formatu 8svx na Mp3. Zsamplowane sâ z
czëstotliwoôciâ 44100Mhz z CD. Kiedy jednak chcë zakodowaê je (via
Musicin.elf) wychodzi mi jedna wielka kaszana dúwiëkowa. Czy ktoô mógîby mi
powiedzieê (napisaê :-) jak mam to zrobiê?

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Dnia 14-Cze-98, Mahomet napisaî:

MOn Sun, 14 Jun 1998, Tomislaw 'Cromax' Kitynski wrote:

MNie wynika to przypadkiem z tego, ze emulator tworzy ten
Mplik jako ciagla (niesfragmentowana) przestrzen na dysku

MMichal Szota (mah0met)  [e-mail]  [e-mail]

Tia... tylko ze jak wylacze datacache to mu ta fragmentacja nie przeszkadza?
A poza tym z pliko-partycji tez nie chodzi :(

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Dnia 14-Cze-98, Konrad Daszynski napisaî:

>W dniu 13-Cze-98 (Sobota)
>AMIGO ([e-mail]) napisal:
>> Dysk nie chcial sie inicjowac, wiec odkrecilem jego wieczko i poryszylem
>> mechanicznie glowica. O dziwo nastepnym razem zainicjowal sie ! Dane (lub
>G³owica w dysku posz³a siê....
>Jest to dosyæ precyzyjne urz±dzenie. Dysk ju¿ mo¿esz wyrzuciæ. Niczym nie
>odzyskasz danych.
 Danych i owszem nie odzyskasz ale wstrzymaj sie z wyrzucaniem dysku. Mialem
podobna
sytuacje z dyskiem Quantum Fireball. Zaczalem juz nim nawet wbijac gwozdzie,
az pewnego
dnia moj znajomy podjal sie naprawy. Dokladnie nie weim co zrobil ale sie
dowiem i dam
znac. Dysk po napraie chodzi ok, daje sie sformatowac, co prawda na razie mu
nie ufam i
nie nagrywam na nim nic waznego ale jak na razie wszystko jest zupelnie w
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Dnia 14-Cze-98, Tomislaw 'Cromax' Kitynski napisaî:

>On 09-May-02, Tomasz Siewiera pressed the following keys:
>  Jestem tez ciekawy, czy i Tobie w miare czesto sie zdarzaja sie zwisy,
>gdy probujesz odpalic jakis drugi task pod MPC? U mnie w jakichs 70%
>konczy sie to zawsze crashem.

Nie.... u mnie moge dopalic np.10 Isis-ow PPC do tego Benoit, QBist i LWShow a
w tle
chodzisobie jeszcze QuakePPC i wszyskto chodzi plynnie (no prawie, ale jest to
zwiazane
z korzystaniem z dysku) i nic sie juz dzieki Bogu i Patrykowi Logiewie (?) nie
wiesza
:). Nie chodzi tylko (albo az) MAC pod zadnym emulatorem. Bo uruchamianie bez
cache
jakos nie moge nazwac chodzeniem :(. Niestety ani Fusion 3.0 ani 3.1 odmawiaja
wspolpracy i w sekunde po starcie kiedy pojawia sie juz Macintosh wita
serdecznie
nastepuje zastopowanie pracy HDD i wszystko wisi... O ile w przypadku Fusiona
czasem
udaje sie wyjsc z emulacji to SS zamraza calosc i pomaga tylko reset co wiaze
sie
(czasami) z walidacja :(
>--
> ** Cromax of Alchemy, proud Amiga user since 1988. | sf, grunge, bmx, **

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At 13:51 98-06-13 +0200, you wrote:
>On Sat, 13 Jun 1998, Siera wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Mam pytanie jaka jest maksymalna odleglosc komputerow polaczonych
ethernetem.
>Teoretycznie lan moze miec max 200 metrow lecz widzac cuda jakie sie
>dzieja w akademikach PL ... kabel taki moze miec i 500 metrow albo i
>wiecej.
srk... skad czerpiesz teorie? 500m moze pociagnac stara skretka ktorej sie
juz nie uzywa bo jest tak gruba i niewygodna ze nie ma jak....
a 200... hmmm... nie sadze...

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At 18:51 98-06-12 +0100, you wrote:
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>(bo glupie majlery na pc
>nie maja ani filtrow ani preselekcji wiadomosci do sciagniecia :-)
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
srk.... ale jakos uzywam filtrow w glupich pcetowych mailerach hehhehe sa
tez programiki anty spamowskie
        to bylo tak BTW
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At 10:22 98-06-13 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi,
>Mam pytanie jaka jest maksymalna odleglosc komputerow polaczonych ethernetem.
>
>Pozdrawiam
ktorym ethernetem?
jesli pytasz standardowy cienki eth to jest:
10 base 2
-max dl. segmentu 195m przy 10mbs.
10 base T
-max dl. segmentu do 100m - 10 lub 100mbs[fasteth]
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chown uzytkownik:grupa plik/lub pliki/lub katalog
Mozna tez wpisac samego uzytkownika;
Zawsze mozna uzyc komendy:
man chown
zamiast chown - inne polecenie o ktorym czegos sie chce dowiedziec ...
Jezeli masz Red Hat'a to rowniez:
chown --help

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Witam

> Chciaîbym przerobië trochë sampli z formatu 8svx na Mp3. Zsamplowane sâ z
> czëstotliwoôciâ 44100Mhz z CD. Kiedy jednak chcë zakodowaë je (via
> Musicin.elf) wychodzi mi jedna wielka kaszana dúwiëkowa. Czy ktoô mógîby mi
> powiedzieë (napisaë :-) jak mam to zrobië?

MusicIn îyka AIFF'y.

Pozdrawiam, Piotrek.


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Yabba Dabba Doooooooo!

In a message dated 14 Jun 98 AMIGO wrote to Multiple recipients of list AMIGA:

 A> Nie wiem czy to byly bzdury, ale kolega powiedzial, ze wystarczy
 A> przelaczyc timing na VBLANK i po sprawie (>28KHz).

 A> Czy to prawda ?

Nie sadze... A poza tym ciekaw jestem co znaczy przelaczyc timing na
VBLANK? Przeciez nie mozna tego zrobic globalnie dla calego systemu...

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Yabba Dabba Doooooooo!

In a message dated 14 Jun 98 Michal Kozusznik wrote to Multiple recipients of list AMIGA:

 >> Powiedzcie mi jak zmusic AHI do miksowania z czestotliwoscia wieksza niz
 >> 28 kHz? Teoretycznie wystarczy na chwile otworzyc screen np:
 >> Productivity (albo odpalic addaudiomodes dblscan) ale... jakos nic sie
 >> nie dzieje chociaz widac, ze screen otwiera na ulamek sekundy... Jakies
 >> pomysly?

 MK> No wiec po pierwsze nie bardzo rozumiem dlaczego screen sie otwiera
 MK> tylko na ulamek sekundy.

Tak dziala addaudiomodes z parametrem dblscan... Oczywiscie jak
normalnie otworze screen to pozostaje dluzej niz ulamek sekundy :-)
 MK> Po drugie jesli uda Ci sie uruchomic AHI z frate > 28kHz i przelaczysz
 MK> screen na PAL to muzyka bedzie grala mniej wiecej tym samym tempem
 MK> (mysle o zapisie a'la tracker a nie jednym samplu) ale sample beda
 MK> odtwarzane odpowiednio wolniej (28kHz) bo na tyle pozwala DMA Pauli.

To powiedzmy przezylbym bo ekran PAL uzywam chyba tylko do odpalania
Galagi i to tak mniej wiecej raz na pol roku...

Ale... nadal nie wiem jak zrobic >28 kHz...

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Hello,

Male pytanko dla ludzi siedzacych w Unixie. Zakladam katalog arturs w
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Blazej Lyjak wrote:
> > O rany - znowu 14-ty pin. W amigach jest on podlaczony do VCC przez
> > rezystor (pulup) wiec jest niegrozny!
>                              ^^^^^^^^^
> ty chyba nie umiesz czytaê!! puszczasz na liscie jakieœ plotki i teorie!
Ty chyba dramatyzujesz.
Jezeli jest tak jak mowie (VCC przez rezystor do pinu 14) to z praw
elektrotechniki (o ile wiesz co to takiego) wynika ze JEDYNE co moze sie
spalic to wlasnie ten rezystor!

> Skoro z powodu 14 pina moûna coœ spaliê, a bez nie go NIE, to dlaczego
> go nie usun¹ê, choêby profilaktycznie?
Jak chcesz to mozesz usunac sobie pare innych pinow z portu rownoleglego
:)
Moze sie myle ale problem z 14-tym pinem polega na tym, ze w Amidze nie
jest on uziemniony jak w pecetach!

narg.

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On 14-Jun-98, Blazej Lyjak wrote:
>Dnia 14-Cze-98, Konrad Daszynski napisa³:
>>> Nie napisa³e¶ najwa¿niejszego, tzn. czy drukarke przynios³e¶ w³a¶nie
>>> ze sklepu(14 pin), czy takie anomalie wyst±pi³y po instalacji
>>
>> 14 pin nie ma znaczenia. Jak to ju¿ by³o kilka razy w ró¿nych miejscach
>> wyja¶niane.
>> Napiêcie na tym pinie NIE powoduje ¿adnych uszkodzeñ. Najwy¿ej
>> grzanie jednego oporniczka na p³ycie Ami.
>A od kiedy tak jest!?!?!?!?! Jak siêgnê pamiêci±, to w amigowej
>prasie pisano ¿eby 14 pin odrazu odcinaæ. Zreszt± znam to z w³asnego
>do¶wiadczenia. Dziêki temu pinowi spali³em zasilacz i jeden scalaczek
>w ami(chyba video). Kosztowa³o mnie to banieczke i dlatego teraz
>kabelek od drukarki sprawdzam 10 razy zanim pod³±czê...
>innym te¿ tak radzê.

Zawsze uzywalem normalnego kabla, bez zadnych modyfikacji. Nic sie nie stalo i
nie ma prawa sie stac. Pin 14 mial znaczenie tylko przy A1000, bo byly tam
zamienione ktores piny i mozna bylo uszkodzic komputer podlaczajac drukarke -
pod warunkiem, ze na tym pinie bylo jakies napiecie.
Jesli sobie uszkodziles komputer, to tylko podlaczajac np. drukarke  przy
wlaczonym komputerze - porty w amigach <> A4000T nie sa buforowane i latwo cos
uszkodzic.


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Witam!

Mam animacje AVI w formacie jak wyzej, oraz MPEG z dzwiekiem.
Czym to ugryzc? CyberAVI, mpeg_play, aMiPEG, AVId, mp103, tapavi15 po
prostu sie wykladaja, albo slychac tylko fonie.

Pozdrawiam!!!

chrupek

p.s. gdyby odpowiedzia byl XAnim to prosze na priva podac mi
lopatologicznie co, jak, gdzie mam zainstalowac aby moc go uzywac i jakie
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Dnia 15-Cze-98, Marcin Sokoîowski rzekî co nastëpuje:
>> Musicin(.elf) lapie tylko sample w formacie AIFF albo surowe (RAW).
>> 8SVX zostal potraktowany jako surowa, 16-bitowa probka i... szumi :)
>> Musisz zgrac utwor z CD jako 16-bitwa probke i dopiero MPEGowac.
>
> ..nie tylko AIFF, ale takze PCM gwoli scislosci :)

RAW to inaczej PCM.

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Dnia 15-Cze-98, narg napisaî:
> Tomasz Kaczanowski wrote:
>> Wyglada to na userke sprzetu (lub tylko kabla), Tak sie zapytam, czy
>> zlikwidowales
>> 14 pin? - bo jesli nie to mogles cos spalic, znajomy tak popalil troszke
rzeczy.
                                                            ^^^^^^^

> O rany - znowu 14-ty pin. W amigach jest on podlaczony do VCC przez
> rezystor (pulup) wiec jest niegrozny!
                             ^^^^^^^^^
ty chyba nie umiesz czytaê!! puszczasz na liscie jakieô plotki i teorie!
jak dla ciebie "niegroúne" jest spalenie amigi to ja dziëkujë...
Skoro z powodu 14 pina moûna coô spaliê, a bez nie go NIE, to dlaczego
go nie usunâê, choêby profilaktycznie?

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A ja mam takie pytanko:
Czy mo?na gdzie6 znale<f patcha na Settlerssw, ?eby chcia3y uruchomif sij
na CyberVison3D i monitorku SVGA ?
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Dnia 14-Cze-98, Arkadiusz Zâbek napisaî:
> Czeôê,
>
> Wie ktoô do czego sîuûâ poniûsze komendty AT:
>
> &L, &R, &X,
> %A, %B, %N,
> \C, \J, \M, \Q, \T, \V, \X,

&L - okreôla wybór rodzaju îâcza na którym bëdzie odbywaê sië transmisja.
&L0 - modem do pracy na îâczach komutowanych
&L1 - modem do pracy na îâczach bezpoôrednich (punkt-punkt)

&R - okreôla sposób postëpowania w przypadku pojawienia sie sygnaîu RTS
      aktywny tylko w trybie synchronicznym.
&R0 - modem wysyîa sygnaî CTS w ôlad za sygnaîem RTS
&R1 - modem ignoruje sygnaî RTS

&X - okreôla sposub transmisji sygnaîu zegara: komenda aktywna tylko w trybie
      synchronicznym
&X0 - powoduje generowanie i podawanie sygnaîu z zegara na 15 pin w zîâczu
       RS - 232C
&X1 - powoduje odebranie sygnaîu zegara z lokalnego terminala poprzez 24 pin
       w zîâczu RS-232C i podanie go na 15 pin tego zîâcza.
&X2 - powoduje odebranie sygnaîu zegara przychodzâcej fali naônej i podanie go
       na 15 pin w zîâczu RS 232C.

%A - Znak powrotu z trybu korekcji.
       zakres: 0 do 127  jednostka ASCII   stand: 0 (null)
       Rozkaz ten definiuje znak powrotu z trybu automatycznej korekcji.
       Znak ten rozpoznawany jest tylko w czasie gdy modem odpowiada na zew w
       trybie automatycznej korekcji (\N3) i byî wydany rozkaz (\C2).
       I tak np: rozkaz %A13 definjuje znak powrotu z autokorekcji jako powrót
       karetki (CR-ASCII 13).Kiedy modem otrzyma znak powrotu karetki w
       okresie czasu przeznaczonym na inicjacje poîâczenia MNP to natychmiast
       przejdzie do normalnego trybu pracy.

\C - Bufor danych
\C0 - powoduje ûe modem nie gromadzi nadchodzâcych z modemu danych tylko je
       pomija.
\C1 -  powoduje ûe modem gromadzi nadchodzâce dane w buforze.
       Jeôli zostanie nawiâzane poîâczenie w trybie MNP to modem dane te
       pomija.Jeôli czas oczekiwania na nawiâzanie poîâczenia wtrybie MNP
       zostanie przekroczony , lub modem odbierze wiëcej niû 200 znaków to
modem
       nawiâzuje poîâczenie w trybie normalnym a dane bufora odsyîa do portu
       lokalnego komputera.
\C2 - powoduje,ûe ûadne dane nie sâ gromadzone w buforze,a modem bezzwîocznie
       przeîâcza sie w tryb normalny (po otrzymaniu znaku powrotu od pracy bez
       korekcji - %A).
       Wszystkie poprzednio otrzymane dane sâ pomijane,a do komputera
lokalnego
       wysyîany jest tylko znak powrotu do trybu normalnego.Rozkaz ten aktywny
       jest tylko dla modemu bëdâcwgo w stanie automatycznego odzewu.

\J -  Prëdkoôê portu szeregowego
      Komenda ta steruje dostosowaniem predkoôêi portu szeregowego modemu do
      prëdkoôêi transmisji.
\J0 - dziaîa w trybie pracy normalnej i trybie z korekcjâ
\J1 - automatycznie dostosowuje prëdkoôê portu do prëdkoôci transmisji.

\Q - Przepîyw danych
\Q0 - blokuje sterowanie przepLywem danych
\Q1 - wybiera sterowanie XON/XOFF przepîywem danych w obu kierunkach
\Q2 - wybiera sprzëtowe jednokierunkowe sterowanie przepîywem danych
\Q3 - sprzëtowe dwukierunkowe sterowanie przepîywem danych
\Q4 - jednokierunkowe sterowanie  XON/XOFF

\T - czas nieaktywnoôci
    zakres: 0 do 255      jednostka: minuty     stand: 0
    okreôla po ilu minutach modem przerwie poîâczenie jeôli nie bëdzie
    ûadnych danych do odbioru lub wysîania.

\V - Kody odpowiedzi
     Rozkaz ten wybiera zestaw kodów odpowiedzi MNP/V.42 jak i
     standartowy z moûliwoôciâ wskazania rodzaju kompresji i prëdkoôci
     transmisji. (\V1,\V2,\V3,\V4)

\X - sterowanie XON/XOFF
       steruje wysyîaniem otrzymanych znaków XON/XOFF do lokalnego komputera
       lub do modemu zdalnego.
\X0 - modem blokuje ster. znakami XON/XOFF
\X1 - znaki sterujâce XON/XOFF wysyîane bëdâ zarówno do lokalnego,jaki i
      modemu zdalnego

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On Mon, Jun 15, 1998 at 02:42:33PM +0100, Blazej Lyjak wrote:
> Nie demonizuj. Amiga to nie klon, je?eli nie robisz ?adnych nieprzewidzianych
> manewrsw, to nic z3ego nie powinno sij dziaf. Chcesz powiedzief, ?e przez
> kilka lat nie spali3em amy dzijki przypadkowi ? ma3o prawdopodobne...

Masz racje Amiga to nie klon i tak sie glupio sklada ze jest troche delikatniej
skonstruowana w zwiazku z czym tak naprawde czasem latwiej ja uszkodzic...

BTW: czy moglbys wycinac mniej wazne fragmenty listu?

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Dnia 14-Cze-98, Henryk Marczak napisaî:


>wie cos blizszego na temat mozliwosci odczytania na Ami plikow PC-towych
>z rozszerzeniem .drw. Jest to grafika (chyba wektorowa), tworzona przez
>program Micrografx Windows Draw 4.0. Moze ktos wie jak sobie z tym poradzic
>na Ami?

Mysle, iz jedyna mozliwosc, to wyeksportowanie z Micrografx w formacie innym
niz .drw. Trudno wymagac od Ami, by odczytywala pliki ktore nawet na pecu nie
sa rozpoznawane przez wieksza ilosc programow. Do wczytywania i konwersji
grafiki wektorowej sluzy program Metaview (im nowsza wersja tym lepiej)
Ma on jako chyba jedyny na Amidze mozliwosc wczytywania wielu formatow grafiki
wektorowej z pece m.in Windows Metafile i CorelDraw!. Oraz paru innych.


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Dnia 14-Cze-98, Konrad Daszynski napisaî:
>Witam!

>To ju¿ by³o jaki¶ czas temu, ale zapytam ponownie: Czy jest na Ami
>cokolwiek, co odtworzy pliki AVI Intel Indeo?

Mavi i podobno x-anim. Odtwarzac i konwertowac mozna jeszcze z poziomu Maca -
Avi2QT i DeBabelizer, np. na Avi w formacie zjadliwym dla MainActora.


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Dnia 14-Cze-98, Konrad Daszynski napisaî:
> W dniu 12-Cze-98 (Piâtek)
> Blazej Lyjak ([e-mail]) napisal:
>
>>> Byê moûe uszkodzeniu ulegî któryô z portów CIA.
>>> Jeûeli zdarzaîo Ci sië wîâczaîeê drukarkë przy wîâczonej Amy to
>>> bardzo prawdopodobne.
>
>> Ja tak robie od 5 lat:) na a500 i a1200 i dwóch drukarkach,
>> a jednak nic niepokojâcego sië nie dziaîo, wiëc to raczej nie to.
>
> To ûe Tobie akurat nic sië nie przydarzyîo - nie ôwiadczy o tym ûe nagle w
> Amigach zaczëli montowaê buforowane porty ( i nikomu o tym nie powiedzieli,
> he, he...). Udawaîo Ci sië. Do czasu...

Nie demonizuj. Amiga to nie klon, jeûeli nie robisz ûadnych nieprzewidzianych
manewrów, to nic zîego nie powinno sië dziaê. Chcesz powiedzieê, ûe przez
kilka lat nie spaliîem amy dziëki przypadkowi ? maîo prawdopodobne...
...
Kto spaliî amy przez podîâczanie JOYa(myszki) przy POWER on ?
Kto spaliî amy przez wîâczanie modemu przy POWER on ?
Kto spaliî amy kiedy chciaî wydrukowaê dwa zdania,
a nie chciaî bawiê sië POWER'em ?
Kto spaliî amy wîâczajâc kompa+monitor przyciskiem na listwie zasilajâcej ?
...

"Spróbuj, a zobaczysz...":DDD

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Czeôê Grzegorz

On 14-Cze-98, you wrote:

> Hello Leszek Dobija, on 14-Cze-98    17:36:36 you wrote:
>
>> Wysîaîem jednemu kumplowi pECETOWCOWI list o traôci jak niûej. Jest to
>> przedruk z jakiô news'ów.
>> Ale on mi odpisaî :-O I co o tym (jego) liôcie myôleê :( ??????
>
> Myôlë, ûe maîo kogo obchodzâ takie traôci.

 Tak??? Moûe sië mylë ale byî to list doôê mocno zwiâzany z Amigâ &
uwaûaîem, ûe zainteresuje tym listem kilka osób (i sië udaîo, bo kilka osób
odpisaîo na mój list)!!!

> Poza tym to korespondencja
> prywatna i nie powinieneô jej upubliczniaê bez zgody autora, niezaleûnie
od
> zawartej w niej traôci.

 Tak??? A skâd wiesz, ûe kumpel sië nie zgodziî??? Dla twojej wiadomoôci
jest to wysîane za jego zgodâ!!!


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Subject:      RC5 na wleczeniu95
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Pytanie:
Czy mozna uruchomic klienta na Wleczeniu95, tak aby jego uzytkownik nie
zauwazyl, ze ma go zainstalowanego?

Odpowiedzi z opisem prosze na priv.

Spowarzaniem
metalurg

PieS. Ojciec mojej kumpeli ma P200MMX, ktore wykorzystuje najczesciej do
ogladania stron z golymi babami. Pomyslalem, ze moge wykorzystac ten jego
"sprzecik". Niestety nie da sie z nim normalnie porozmawiac.

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